Does God speak to us today? Does He get involved in elections? In this episode Andrew and Jimmy discuss these questions and more. Andrew shares some examples of God speaking in dreams.
Intro music by Upstate - How Far We Can Go
Does God speak to us today? Does He get involved in elections? In this episode Andrew and Jimmy discuss these questions and more. Andrew shares some examples of God speaking in dreams.
Intro music by Upstate - How Far We Can Go
Welcome to the MC squared podcast. This is episode 23. I'm Jimmy McCanna, with co-host Andrew McNeil. We're ready to go.
Speaker 2:We got a world to see all the time to learn.
Speaker 1:Welcome back. Thanks for being with us this evening or this day, or whenever you are watching the podcast, andrew, how's it going?
Speaker 2:It's going good, jimmy. It's been a while since we sat down. It is, I think, what's crazy. It's been a little while, but when folks are watching the YouTube videos, they won't have a clue about that?
Speaker 1:No, they don't, really don't know. We try to get around every two weeks. We've missed a week in there. I'm wearing the nice bright green shirt. I can only do it for, usually in the spring, because St Patrick's Day is coming up this weekend. This'll be released after that. But a little thing on St Patrick's Day, a little Indiana, a Tarahote history. I don't know if I've ever told you this before, but it has to do with my grandfather who lived at 465 Barton His entire life, born and died in the same room. Amazing Went to St.
Speaker 2:Patrick's. Did he ever leave the room? Yes, he did.
Speaker 1:Multiple times, but he went to St Patrick's his entire life and he was one of the two men who painted that shamrock every year.
Speaker 1:So, there's a shamrock painted at Poplar and 19th Street at the intersection. It's done the Thursday before St Patrick's Day and they kind of it's all associated with St Patrick's Party and whatnot. But he was one of the originals that would go and paint that. So he had been in the newspaper so many times because the newspaper there's not a whole lot else going on the Thursday before, but they kind of know Thursday before St Patty's Day but they kind of know this is going to be going on so they would go out and he'd be in the newspaper all the time painting it. So they actually this year when they painted it they used to have his name under there and I saw they didn't do it this year. They used to say Ace and Lou. Now Ace was my grandfather's nickname. It was Richard Donham, but they called him Ace. He was a runner in high school ran at Woodrow.
Speaker 1:Wilson School on a gravel or dirt track when it was a dirt track yeah, ran a 400, 800, one of the two, but that's how he got his name. That's why it used to say Ace and Lou. Ace was my grandfather, is my grandfather.
Speaker 2:That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's a little bit of St Patrick's Day Terre Haute history, if you're interested. Yeah, that's really good. I went out there one year and kind of helped him a little bit with it. But I just don't, I can't carry that legacy on like he could.
Speaker 2:Are you artistic at all? Was he artistic? No, no, he wasn't.
Speaker 1:They have a pattern that they put down and then they do it, and then people go and do birdies over the top of it and do a big black mark over the top of it.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Terre Haute. Yeah, absolutely. They ever rest some money for hate speech. If they did that, for, yeah, for burning rubber on a on a shamrock Mm-hmm?
Speaker 1:No, I don't think so. No, that would make any sense. They probably think it was a four-leaf clover or something. That wouldn't make any sense, would it?
Speaker 2:No, yeah, well, you know, there's folks that have done that. On the Gay Pride, painted rainbows. Yeah, and they'll throw them in jail.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're putting a burn mark over it. Yeah, same thing. What if your foot slips? I, I, I, I.
Speaker 2:What if?
Speaker 1:what if payment's wet? I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Can you not?
Speaker 1:take that into account. Okay, yeah, I don't understand. Yeah anyway.
Speaker 2:So I thought maybe we would. I had something on my on my heart again and I'm gonna stop this eventually having things on my heart, I don't know, but I, I, I realized there was a. This is a political and a spiritual combination. How you could have those together. Yeah, I know it's kind of crazy, but it's something that happened a little while ago and I feel like it. It is a great illustration maybe of a way that God can speak to you, which I thought maybe we'd talk a little bit about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the different ways God can speak. Yeah, you know, there, there, there are whole sections of of Christianity which is pretty funny to me that actually hold that you can't hear from God, or that God doesn't speak, or if he does speak, it's literally only scripture, like he can't say anything else, which also makes no sense, because those are all things to put God in a box and I don't believe in any of that anyway. So, but so this, this goes back to 2008. It was actually probably late 2007. And what? If you guys will recall what was going on then and some folks will be listening to this, maybe it weren't, you know, born then.
Speaker 1:So starting to realize how old I am, but 2007,.
Speaker 2:And there was a presidential primary going on, both Republican and Democrat, and on the Democrat side it was. It was kind of crazy because you had the heir apparent in Hillary Clinton running and then you had this unknown Senator, state Senator from, from Illinois, named Barack Obama, and they were running. And so it was in this context and at this time you know, we when I say we, my family, my walk with the Lord we were very involved politically. As far as prayer goes, I wouldn't say we were any political juggernaut or anything. We weren't involved in the party or, you know, we voted, we were informed, but but we felt like our main call was prayer, which, okay, that's fine. I mean, I've since evolved from thinking that prayer alone is the is. You know, you got to pray and then you got to act, but anyway, we prayed a lot, we did a lot of prayer, which probably you know, whatever. So we did a lot of prayer and I had a dream, and what started was really crazy, Jimmy, because from that point on, when I had this first dream, I had a series of dreams and they all kind of were were built on one another, and these dreams were very clear to me what the message was, and I didn't always like what I heard, but it was God. God was literally speaking to me.
Speaker 2:Now I've since wondered why was he? Why? Why does God care? I mean, why did? Why did God? Why does God care about a presidential race in the United States of America? I mean seriously. And then why would he care to tell me?
Speaker 2:I mean, those are great questions to ask, but the Bible does talk about that. He does nothing that he doesn't first reveal it to his people, or to the prophetic, or to the prophets. There is a lot of instances where God would speak to Daniel about things to come that Daniel would have no influence on. They had nothing to do with Daniel, and I think God delights to speak to his people. He delights to speak with them, and especially about things that you're concerned about.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, this first dream was so you got to remember Hillary Clinton was was this juggernaut. She was leading in the polls, there's an unknown Barack Obama running, and I get a dream where Hillary Clinton is on a small plane and it's landing at an airport and it crashes, and that's the dream, Okay. So I wake up and I'm like it was very clear and I knew it was a message from the Lord. And to me the interpretation was very clear. Actually, airplanes mean like a small ministry or a small office.
Speaker 2:I knew that she was not going to become president. I didn't know if she was going to win or lose the. I couldn't determine from that whether or not she was going to win or lose the nomination. I knew she wasn't going to be president of the United States. I knew right then. Then I had the next dream, and this dream is a. It was a huge dream for me because it was so, so, not what I wanted and so clear to me that it was the Lord. And you got to understand at this time we're very pro-life, we're praying, I'm we're praying, I'm sorry, we're praying for a Republican president, we are praying for a, you know, a godly man in office.
Speaker 2:We're we. That's how we're praying.
Speaker 1:You haven't been any of them running. Yeah Well, there wasn't any running.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately but we're just like dear God. So I had a dream and I am standing before Barack Obama and in the dream I know, like I can sense from the Lord, that I can only speak to him what I hear from the Lord. I'm not allowed to tell him my opinions. I, I'm not allowed, I, and I say to him you are about to have a mantle of authority Come on you that you have never had in your life and I'm going to tell you that you are a Marxist, that you are an anti-Semite and that you are a wicked man. But you are the one that the Lord has chosen to be in this office. Now I wake up and I'm like, oh, that's not how I'm thinking he's got. I mean, can God put people in office who are not good? Hmm, and I think he can. I think he can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 2:The Bible is pretty clear that he raises up some and he brings down others and he puts people into authority. I mean, the Bible says he raised up Pharaoh. Pharaoh was terribly wicked over the children of Israel. He raised him up, you know. So I I make the mistake of telling the intercessory group I was part of it. Hey, I think Barack Obama is going to be the next president, and this is folks. He hadn't won the primary yet, he wasn't even leading in the primary, and and so then I began to have a series of dreams two more where I am following him around like I'm this profit or something, and I'm telling him I know who you are and you're not good, your heart is not good, but you are going to be the president of the United States. God is God is going to put you into office. So I had two more dreams where that happened, and then, and then this is the. This is the thing we get into when we hear something from God that we don't. We don't like.
Speaker 2:I didn't like that, I didn't like it at all. I did not pray, God put a Barack Obama. I did not vote for Barack Obama, by the way, and he, he was all those things because of your dream. Yeah, I'm like okay, that's great. Why would God tell me that? And I think I think he wanted me prepared for what was about to happen, and I think, also, God wants his people to know that he's in charge Not to be. How many times is he saying his word? Don't be afraid, Be strong and be a good courage over and over and over again.
Speaker 2:So what also would happen later on that year is that and I had a is that Sarah Palin was announced as the VP for for John McCain. So when this occurred, I'm like, oh, maybe God's changed his mind, because I really, I really liked Sarah Palin and I'm like, oh, you know, this will make John McCain palatable because I, I didn't like John McCain, Didn't like John McCain's politics. He might be a fine, fine man, but I didn't care for his politics. So I'm like, okay, so I'm, we're excited, we're all excited, we're praying. I'm trying to put these other dreams things back behind me because, you know, maybe that was pizza or something.
Speaker 1:I mean, I was pretty clear it was the Lord, three or four nights, yeah, so I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2:And then I had another dream. This is the last dream I had and in the dream they were Tom Brokaw was announcing the election results and we were so excited because of Sarah Palin in the dream and suddenly we were crying and it didn't go like we thought it would and it was to me. I woke up and I'm like one more time the Lord saying no, no, trust me, it's, this is what's going to happen, and and it's exactly what happened. So fast forward a little bit to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2:My, my brother, had had multiple dreams that Donald Trump was going to be president, that this was the, the man that God had chosen. And again, if we're using the same template and people get all bent out of whack with this, you're you're saying Donald Trump's, this amazing Christian You're you're saying Donald Trump is how can God use him? You know he's. He's been a Philanderer, he's. You know he's not been this or that, and you're missing the point. God put Barack Obama in and Barack Obama was wicked. I believe. He put Donald Trump in, and Donald Trump is not a perfect man. Never have said that Donald Trump was a perfect man, but we knew that he was. He was the man of the hour. He was the one God was using.
Speaker 2:So my brother had had several dreams of that and I just had one dream. I was hoping for dreams like this with Barack Obama. I had nothing. I mean, I, you can't make this stuff happen, you really can't, yeah, yeah. So but I had one dream, and I think this dream is is was was crystal clear to me, and I think the church the body of Christ, personally, I think missed a golden opportunity and I think we've missed it as a church body because we did one of two things we either got extremely political or two, we got extremely offended at the instrument that God used.
Speaker 1:Well, that's, that's that's what God's done from the very beginning. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what happened when Jesus came. They were, they were offended by the way that Jesus came, and that's why he was never accepted, right? So?
Speaker 2:the dream was Donald Trump was going to become president. This is before he won. And Donald Trump was this whirlwind in the dream. He was this whirlwind and the whirlwind was this was was of God and it was clear as a bell to me in the dream that the role of the church during the Trump presidency was to pray into the chaos, to pray into that whirlwind that it would do what God intended it to do in the nation, and I think we missed that opportunity.
Speaker 1:personally, yeah, I think. I think we definitely we had a great opportunity there. So I do have a couple questions for you, one, specifically, which is really hard to answer and but something that you had said when you were talking in there about Obama and having the dreams about him, those consecutive dreams and we're gonna talk about dreams shortly and hearing from the Lord but when you were talking about God being in can in charge Versus and you didn't really say God in control. But let's look at it from that perspective God in charge versus God in control.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so when are we? Are we with God in control, or do we have God in charge?
Speaker 2:Well, it's probably a little bit of both, to be totally honest with you. I think the. I think the root of that question, though, is Probably comes down to another question in is does God promote or Does God promote evil? Yeah, and you know, because why do bad things happen if God's in charge? Why do bad things happen? I mean, there were a lot of wicked things that the Barack Obama did. Was God rubber stamping that? Was he condoning that?
Speaker 2:And I think you have to look through scripture to understand, kind of, the character of God as best we can. And the Bible is very clear he raised, raised up wicked rulers from time to time to either show his judgment on a nation or to show his glory, when he, you know, would defeat that person or, you know, or Causes his body or church at the time, regardless of it whether it's, you know, before before the Lord or not, if we're talking Old Testament, still a picture of the body of Christ to show his glory. I mean, goliath, the David faced. Goliath was a horrible person, blaspheming the, the armies of the Lord, you know, and sending terror into the camp of the Israelites, but it was an opportunity for someone who believed in the Lord David, yes, a shepherd boy who wasn't trained in the art of war to go in faith and defeat the giant, and I think. So what are the purposes of God? I don't know if we know that, but but, because God's ways are higher than our ways, yeah, but yeah, I believe God is in charge.
Speaker 2:Back to your question, because Even though the the whole world, the Bible says, is under the sway of the wicked one, I believe God sits. The Bible says he sits in the heavens and he laughs. He sees the nations and they're plotting against him. The Psalm says, and he laughs in derision. He holds him in derision and he says this is in Psalms, which is interesting Kiss the Sun lest he be angry and destroy you in the way. In other words, be be afraid of the judgment of God. You rulers, if you're ruling in wickedness or whatever to find the king. So I think it's, you know, a part of God's ultimate plan.
Speaker 2:I don't don't claim to know everything, I'm not claiming to have all the answers on this, but I totally believe God places rulers and and people in office. So in specifics to Trump, we see kind of a prophetic Parallel in the Bible to Cyrus, who God called him out Before he was even born, named him in the Bible before he was even born and said you don't even know me, but I'm gonna raise you up and I'm gonna cause you to rebuild my temple and to send my people back. And that's exactly what Cyrus did when he finally, you know, was put into office or came into office or came into the place of authority that he was. So I think God I mean that's God knows what's gonna happen he's yeah, but I'm also not one of those I don't want to say if it's fatalist, but I'm also not one of those folks that believe Everything is just on a automatic track and we have nothing to say about it. I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, no, you know, we this is this is kind of way I feel about it. So, asking the question back to myself God's too good to be a God that is in control, because he really he was. He is in charge, absolutely yeah, but he's too good to his people and he, and so I Really think, in the case of David is really apparent because I, yeah, god put that in David, but God uses his people to change the world, right, and I think that's, you know, there's if it was a perfect world.
Speaker 1:I mean, there wouldn't be anything for God's people to do besides sit around like the Garden of Eden before sin came in, and that's, I think that's really where it changed a lot, and so I just I think he's way too good to be in control.
Speaker 2:Well, he gives I mean, he gives us a free will and a free choice. Yeah, we're not robots, and I think that, um, that's, I mean, that's a pretty deep theological subject. That and every, every you know side is going to argue about it, and where I fall is that I do believe God, overarching, is completely in charge of this world and his destiny is going to be fulfilled. He is going to fulfill what he set forth. What happened, what's spelled out in Revelation, is going to going to occur, but at the same time, he's looking for his body to do it, to be obedient to him, to be his hands, his feet, his body on the earth and and to, uh, to accomplish these things.
Speaker 2:I mean, the Psalm says something very interesting, says the Lord says to my Lord so this is, this is God speaking basically to Jesus. The Lord says to my Lord sit at my right hand, which is where Jesus is right now. Sit at my right hand until I make the nations your footstool. So that kind of indicates that the Lord's return is is dependent on his body through, through the power of the Lord, subjecting nations to the Lord, making it as a footstool for him.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and just trying to understand this, we, we totally realized that we're not going to be able to and you said this understand the beginning to the end, because who would worship a God that you, inside of our minds, we can fully understand?
Speaker 2:And I know it probably just some people are going to listen to this and it just be like uh, you know, yeah, and I. I get that, I understand that have have grace. I'm, I feel pretty confident in, but I'm I mean we're not sitting up there with God right now. I mean he could be going, no, no, no. This is how I've worked. So, as our limited minds, this is how we perceive that he's, he's moving and working. So let's talk about, let's talk about hearing the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that kind of segues into hearing the Lord. So, um, you were kind of talking about having those dreams, and how do you know if it's, uh, a dream from the Lord or if you know, or if it's a pizza dream or if something else is coming after you? At night when you're, when you're having dreams. I think it's really interesting. I always think about, about this. It's in Joel. I just looked it up earlier just to verify.
Speaker 2:It's in.
Speaker 1:Joel, you know. But then, Peter, right, he repeats this at Pentecost when he comes out and he's just full of it, right he's he's all fired up. So I always think about. I always think about what he said in repeating Joel that in, uh, and it shall be in the last days, God says I'll pour my spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and daughters will prophesy, and a young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams. So I figured out in life. When I started having dreams I was an old man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was kind of scary, because medical time old men are really old. But much like you, much like you, I have these dreams and I think that some people get them and I know that sometimes, very specifically, it was not a God dream, yeah, and I think that one of the main keys that I personally use is was I afraid in it? That's good, and the presence of the Lord, and the true presence of the Lord. I don't believe in your dream. You're going to be afraid, yeah, if you're being told something and you're, and you know you're standing up like you were. I mean, you weren't afraid, you were, you were full of the zeal of the Lord talking to Barack Obama, and then this happens night and then night and then night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and these aren't things that you can just come up in your head. These are the things that are being whispered to you while you are in a deep state of sleep, and so to even look at sleep is amazing because of where your brain goes and your rapid eye movements and all this different things. And the Lord's like you know, I'm going to shut you down and your body's going to have to do this so that, even if going crazy around you, you're going to have opportunity to hear my voice if you're open. And I really feel that spending time in his word then also kind of leads into that, because I've had times in my life where I didn't spend as much time and then times where I did, and I feel like he speaks more because I'm more aware and ready and ready for that.
Speaker 1:So I think that he wants to speak to all of his people because if there are these situations like you're talking about, with rulers that are not good, that are in charge he, the goal is is to work then through his people, because by working through his people in those times of oppression, moses specifically in the Old Testament, working through his people, that is what shows his glory from sea to sea. I mean, it shows it across the to even the people that believe and not believe. And so I think that you have to have that opposition to be able to have to have darkness to be able to see the light. So I really think that he speaks specifically to his people for absolute a reason each time, and you just got to be willing to listen and then take it, and then a lot of people write them down when they wake up, I mean I think that's one, one kind of things that people do.
Speaker 1:obviously share them with your spouse. I think that's one of the first things, and I have a trouble because I try to interpret.
Speaker 2:you know immediately what somebody else hears and that's not always true, you know and and I've I've had my fair share of dreams that weren't from the Lord. I've had my fair share of of dreams you thought were something and then they weren't. And so not every dream is from the Lord and not every dream is saying anything honestly, but but he does speak that way and I think what is fascinating in scripture we one of the ones that fascinates me the most is is Joseph, the, the um, joseph and Mary with with Jesus.
Speaker 1:That's a big, that's a big dream there.
Speaker 2:Because he had several dreams. He had one where so Mary is found to be with child, she's betrothed, she's a virgin. Well, I mean, he doesn't think she's a virgin anymore, but she's betrothed, she's with child not his. And the Lord appears to him in a dream and he says don't be afraid to take Mary, your wife, because that which is within her is conceived of the Holy Spirit. And he obeys it. Yes, he does, and I think that is incredible. And then again, when the Lord appears to him in a dream and says, hey, flee, go down to Egypt. And he obeys he does, I think, the faith of Joseph in all those and that's kind of a side, it's just incredible. He had a dream and he followed it, he obeyed the Lord out of those. I mean, it wasn't necessarily like there was a blinding light, but it was a very clear word from the Lord to him. And so the Lord definitely and absolutely can speak to us in dreams, his timing is perfect too.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah. So I think that there are dreams that are planted for now and there's dreams that he's planting and watering for later, but his timing is perfect for where he wants you to be With Joseph. It was absolutely perfect and it's a perfect representation of it.
Speaker 2:So I think you always have to balance everything you think you hear from God with the word of God. Nothing that you have in a dream is ever going to violate the principles or the things that we find in the word of God. So that's a safety, I think. And then I don't hear exclusively on dreams. Most of the time I just get this piece from the Lord if I'm to do something or not, a piece if I'm not supposed to. That's, honestly, mostly how I hear the Lord.
Speaker 2:I've also had where scriptures jump off the page when you've been spending time with the Lord and God speaking something specifically to you. God speaks in a lot of different ways and I think it's really sad. I honestly think it's super sad when I hear Christians that don't believe that or understand that God loves that conversation. I believe that with all my heart he loves that communion. Jesus said me and my father stand at the door and knock Any man that opens to us. We will come in and sup with him, which means fellowship. The Lord really delights to have conversations with his people and so look for those Honestly and develop it.
Speaker 2:I remember at an early age I was taught we can all sit quietly and ask the Lord to speak to us and he will speak to us. Now, when you're a kid and you can come up with some goofy stuff, but it's a great practice because God delights. It's kind of like the little boy Samuel Speak, lord, because your servant hears. It's important that we have ears that hear what the Spirit is saying to us. And when you know that the Lord's spoken something to you, then the Bible says that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. And that is directly tied, not actually to the scripture, that's tied to spoken word, the Greek word. There is reyma, which is not logos, it's spoken word of God. When we hear the spoken word of God, then that faith rises up in us, like Joseph. Joseph and Mary had, where he had the faith to go, obey that dream, because he'd heard the word and the faith rose up and then he was able to obey it and that's kind of the process, I think, of following the Lord.
Speaker 1:I think it is too, and the cool thing about it is is that he knows you so well that if your place where you're spoken to is gonna be, let's say, on a lake somewhere, yeah, he wants to meet you there, that's right.
Speaker 1:If it's walking down a trail somewhere, he wants to meet you there. If it's sitting in your office for lunch and everything's kind of shut off, he'll meet you there. I mean, that's the amazing thing. There's not a perfect formula for everybody, but there is a perfect formula for you that he knows. Yeah, absolutely, and I think that you just got to find that. And then the biggest thing, what you said is you hear, and if you obey he's gonna keep talking. Absolutely, he's gonna keep talking. And then, even if you don't obey, he's gonna talk to you more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you have to go back and obey.
Speaker 1:You gotta go back and obey, but I mean he needs I've been talking to you for a while.
Speaker 2:Go back and find out the last thing he told you, and did you do it?
Speaker 1:Or just ask him to reiterate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there we go. Could I kind of forgot it, please? Yeah, okay, all right, jimmy, just to kind of wrap up this podcast segment a little bit, and I know we're kind of deciding how in the world are we gonna do that. But I did want to just tie one last thing in, and that was something I learned from the Lord speaking those dreams to me, specifically in regards to politics, which I've always had a heart for. You know that, and I want to be involved.
Speaker 2:But I realized when I had that dream, it's just suddenly I'm realizing about Isaiah. I'm realizing about the prophet Daniel. I'm realizing about Esther, who was also in the government. I'm realizing about David, who was David's all, all of these instances in the word of God where his people are involved in governmental or as prophets involved, speaking to the government that he was. You had to have a proper attitude and respect, I think, for the authorities. I think that's critically important. And I realized that I couldn't come at Mr Barack Obama with my opinions or even my political opinions. It really wasn't that important Understanding Marxism, all that that is important got it.
Speaker 2:But immediately what I understood was that I needed to speak the word of the Lord. And in order to speak the word of the Lord to someone who doesn't know the Lord, you've got to have character, integrity and you've got to be respectable. So I mean Isaiah Daniel, all these folks. Daniel rebuked the emperor or the king, king Nebuchadnezzar. I mean he rebuked these people but they respected him because he had a life of integrity. The Bible says he excelled because he had an excellent spirit and even though Daniel lived a life that was set apart, he was fully immersed in one of the most wicked administrations on the face of the earth, which was Babylon.
Speaker 2:So how do you I feel like a lot of Christians are doing one of two things are getting highly politically active, which I am not against in any way, I'm not criticizing that but as a means of affecting change, and then a lot of them are just withdrawing. They're just done with it, they're bitter. I mean, they're just. Let's just focus on getting people saved and let's just leave all that alone. You know, it's all going away, and I think neither approach is fully what we should be doing. I think we should be absolutely getting people saved and absolutely involved. We should vote, we should run for office, but I think the thrust of what I have tried to do and what I think the thrust of what a Christian, a believer, should do is Jimmy, to hear the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And to be in a submissive attitude, both under the authority of the Lord and also respectful of the authorities around you and bold as a lion that's right and to be able to speak the truth, even if it costs you your head or your reputation. But you're not just this angry, rebellious, you know mocker out there, but you're carrying with you an excellent spirit where your goal is not actually to destroy people, it is to influence for the kingdom of God. That's right and it is a tough balance. I mean, you've got a lot of different influences, you've got to, you know weigh and all this kind of stuff. But I think that's what I have strived for in my life. I have not achieved that perfectly I have not.
Speaker 2:But I don't think disengagement is right and I don't think being so politically stuck that you're depressed and all serves and just worked up about where we are. I think either extreme is not good and where we're headed may get really crazy, but if you think about it, the people of God always succeed in those kind of times. Daniel rose to I mean honestly amazing heights for the children of Israel, and Israel was no more when he was doing that. So I think we're supposed to be the head and not the tail. I think we're supposed to succeed. So let's listen to the Lord, let's get a right spirit and let's speak boldly the truth of the Lord and grace, and let's pray for platforms to influence. I think so.
Speaker 1:I really the one word that, when you're saying this, comes out to me the most is you don't compromise. And I think that in politics, if you look at it from just a broad spectrum, from both parties, you get people who are very well meaning, maybe even Christians, that are going into it and God has called them into it Right, but because of external influences they compromise that reason they went in and they will never fully be able to do the work that they've been putting in there for yeah, and I think that's unfortunate Getting to that point where you're able to go in and not compromise, and that speaking to the Lord is what keeps you from compromising.
Speaker 1:I agree, he sets your, he sets your, he sets you on a path that lights it for you. Yeah, so that there's nothing from the outside can come in. And I think that a lot of people have been burned because they see people come in and they come in really well, and then the comfort and it's slow, compromise starts and it's like that one, one degree you're off, but three miles down the road.
Speaker 2:how many degrees are you? Well, and we can all see it coming. Can't wait. All the voters can see it and it does happen.
Speaker 1:That's. That's not what he's called us to do and I think that you know, it's just really I think that's really important.
Speaker 2:Yep, Absolutely Well, we had a. We had a pretty good conversation tonight. It was very fun.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you for for joining us. We're not done yet. We have a commercial. Are you doing a plug for this?
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