MC Squared
MC Squared is a podcast hosted by Andrew McNeil and Jimmy McKanna. We talk about local, state and federal issues as well as host a variety of guests. To contact the show please email us at themcsquaredpodcast@gmail.com
MC Squared
Episode 12 : From Alpine Slides to Political Sides: A Journey
Ever wonder how a thrilling ride down the Alpine Slide at Winter Park, Colorado, could set the stage for an exploration into the world of DIY home repairs, the evolution of personal political views, and the search for truth amidst a pandemic? From the exhilarating ski lift ride to the terror-inducing experience track, we kick off this episode with a recount of our unforgettable vacation. As we navigate through the cultural and political revolutions of the past, we share our personal experiences and views about voter participation, political parties, and the evolution of political views.
We then pivot into a discussion about the stormy trip to Illinois, where we learned the hard way the importance of checking air quality before planning your adventure. We share our experiences of tackling DIY home repairs, throwing light on the challenges and triumphs of such endeavours. As we shift gears and delve into the political sphere, we share how our political decisions have been deeply personal, underlining our journey from being Reagan supporters in the 80s to more politically active citizens today.
This episode is a rollercoaster of emotions and insights, as we wind our way from the lofty heights of the Colorado mountains to the cultural shifts brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic. We discuss how the pandemic has created a cultural earthquake, and the role of the church in navigating these uncertain times. We wrap up the episode sharing our experiences as guests on a filming show, underscoring how personal decisions impact political involvement, and how we've made our voices heard amidst the pandemic. A thrilling adventure ride, a storm of insights, and a heartfelt search for truth—all packed into one episode!
Intro music by Upstate - How Far We Can Go
Welcome everybody to the MC squared podcast, episode 12. Correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's go. I got a fire in me. You're gonna set to burn.
Speaker 1:Well, jimmy, it's been a little while since we've gotten together, had a chat. I know that at least three of our fans have complained that there's been a gap. Yes, and the other ones will never know. We'll never know, because you know when these are all archived and put together. Nobody pays attention to the distance between each podcast. But I just it just felt like it was right to take a nice little break in the summer a little bit. It felt good to just, you know, go do something else. We went on vacation, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you guys took a week Went discolfing.
Speaker 2:We went discolfing for a week in the beautiful city of Peoria, Illinois.
Speaker 1:Yeah, actually I think you were doing that the same time. We were in Colorado, that's right. Yeah, well, the only story I've got, because I've never been to Colorado and haven't been very far west except for this year, this year we've gone to Kansas, now Kansas, twice Oklahoma, and then we went to Colorado as a family for a week and it was amazing. Honestly, you see those pictures of the mountains and everyone will tell you. You know it doesn't do it justice and it really doesn't. You have these great pictures you think you've taken because you're standing there looking at it. You look at the picture and it's like it's okay, but I mean it's amazing, it's absolutely amazing. But one of the days the only quick story I'll share actually there might be two.
Speaker 1:The quick story I'll share is we spent half a day at Winter Park, colorado, which is obviously for the name. It's a big deal during the winter, but they also try to keep tourists coming back. They do like a slide, the gondola, putt putt. I was like, okay, nobody goes to Colorado for putt putt, so we did the Alpine slide and you can go down as many times as you want. So we started and it's. You know, I'm not saying I'm terrified of heights, but I don't like heights. So they have the ski lift that goes up. It was a little bit terrifying, I'll admit, and so and then you go down and they give you these really heavy sleds and you throw them on this like this.
Speaker 1:It's not a track, but it's like a half. I don't even know how to describe it. It's like you could, if you had water running down it. You could literally water slide on it probably. I mean it's like a half track or something like that Half tube whatever.
Speaker 1:Anyway, they have two there, one the left. They're both identical, but the left side is for beginners and the right side is for the more experienced, because the more experienced aren't going to want to. You know, take forever going all the way down. So you can, you can break, you can leave it alone. There's got to handle in the middle. You leave it alone and it kind of slows itself down a little bit on the way, and then you can, or no, I've got it totally backwards, but pushing forward accelerates it. You pull all the way back and it breaks it, or you can leave it alone and it kind of slows itself down.
Speaker 1:So of course we went in the experience track, even though I'd never gone down before ever and I'm just like you know what I might you know whatever. So you kind of take it cautious the first time and it is a blast. It is an absolute blast. I was so excited we got back up on the ski lift, which is terrifying, I just would get over it. It was, it was very beautiful, but it's way up there oh, anyway, get off it. We probably went down five or six times at least and then you know we're waiting around for Drew to be done and we all had this probably actually pretty bad idea to just go one more time before we left, leave it all out on the track.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I had accidentally hit my wife on the track by going a little too fast and I was like, oh, I'm going to get a first lad. I mean it wasn't. It wasn't terrible. I did get a pretty dirty. Look back at me. But I could, of course I'm a husband. I couldn't help it. I was breaking as fast as I could and the break wasn't working as well as I thought, anyway. So I had been getting faster and fast. He was a blast. I got to tell you it was so much fun.
Speaker 1:So the last time I'm riding up in the ski lift and we're looking down, he just wipes out and he's just. I mean it's the danger of it. The real danger of this ride is that you don't lean into the curves. There are a lot of curves. If you lean into the curves it will flip you and the real danger is kind of just burning your skin. It's just like road rash, it'll take your skin off. I mean you're just flying them. So anyway, that was probably in my mind. It was a little unsettling because you know he's anyway. So we get up there and we get set and I'm just flying and I mean it is acceleration all the way. I'm hitting those curves and I am just, it is a blast. But I was probably a little tired, maybe a little less safe than I should have been, and all of a sudden that thing flipped on me and I am I'm not ashamed to say it I did yell a little bit, it wasn't hurt Scream no, no, just a yell, a manly yell.
Speaker 2:It was very manly.
Speaker 1:And I'm sliding on my arms and knee down this thing and I just know I don't even feel it because I'm going so fast for probably 70, 80, 100 miles an hour.
Speaker 2:Of course I know.
Speaker 1:And I know I'm losing skin by then and I hear a voice from above and I'm pretty sure it wasn't God, but it was. It was, are you okay? And I was, yeah, I'm fine. I didn't look up to see it was because you have folks coming down behind you. Oh boy, and you got to get back on that sled.
Speaker 1:So I get back on the sled and I'm trying to. One leg is off and I'm totally disoriented. But I'm trying to get done with this ride now because there's blood. I actually have some blood showing up. I'm like what is happening here? And I had this hat on, this Colorado hat I was very proud of, and I got, I got going again, probably a little fast, and that thing whipped off and just and I'm like, fine, I have wiped out, I'm probably, you know, a mess, and I know I lost this really cool hat. So I get to the bottom and and Andrea is like, are you okay? And I'm like, no, carry this sled off. And I got blood everywhere and we're trying to figure it out. And and then some kid had run over my hat and so he, they brought it back to me. It's got skid marks on the top of it. So that's my souvenir of Colorado, the classic like the dad hat.
Speaker 2:the dad goes to the state, buys a hat with the state's name on it. Absolutely, absolutely. So, it's just so you can fit in with the locals, because you know the locals are looking at you knowing you're.
Speaker 1:they were the Colorado Knowing you're a tourist yeah, so that was yeah, and so that unfortunately was a little bit early in the trip. So I actually I spent quite a lot of time in pain trying to bandage them up.
Speaker 2:I lost a lot of was there screaming after.
Speaker 1:No, absolutely not. No, absolutely not no.
Speaker 2:I've never seen an Alpine slide like that. The one that we saw in Tennessee was actually on a track and there was no way to come off of it. It was long like a rail track, but, man, that sounds like a lot more exciting than what it was in Tennessee.
Speaker 1:It was so fun. I totally want to go do it again. Totally want to go do it again. I thought you were racing your wife.
Speaker 2:Well, there was some kind of competition. Yeah, why you're going so fast?
Speaker 1:trying to show off like you're. That's the rumor. I don't know that. It's totally true. She would leave in the same track ahead of me, so we weren't side by side, but she would leave ahead of me and if you were fast enough and if the person in front of you wasn't fast enough, you could catch up to them. So that was maybe what I was possibly trying to do.
Speaker 2:But at the end she was waiting for you. Yeah, it didn't work. It didn't work, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, we had a good time and everything, but as on our way back, so the day before we found out about the power outage.
Speaker 2:Oh boy.
Speaker 1:The storm that went through and we still had another. We didn't know, but we still had another three and a half days of no power once we got back. So, but you have that feeling that your house is vulnerable even though there's no power, you want to get back to it and take care of the stuff. So so we did, and at that same time, I think, all that smoke was coming through and you guys were playing in that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was so weird because that the Canada smoke came like straight down the center of Illinois and then took a right turn right over Terre Haute area and when I looked at it, yeah, they actually stopped play one disc golf play one day in Peoria because of it. And you know, we were kind of like a little bit upset and we were thinking this is just like an Illinois thing, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, really, that's what I was thinking the whole time.
Speaker 2:We were like we're getting too close to Chicago.
Speaker 2:They're crazy over there, we're getting a little too close to Chicago. But but then you know they, they stopped play for some of the, some of the courses, but our kids played and it never got above a certain level. So now I, now I've learned that you can go on a website and look at the air quality every day. So I know, you know, we know where they get their information from. But really, like One of those days we came back to the hotel room and you could like you could feel it a little bit like there's, we were inhaling some junk. You know we have healthy lungs, but we were inhaling some junk during that time. But yeah, we actually, we actually I actually drove through this crazy storm which was insane really.
Speaker 2:That day Allison stayed with the two younger kids at the hotel and I took the. They had one round in the morning and I took the two older kids the round and I picked up Connor and we came back and we went. We were going straight towards it and the in the. It was black in front of us. It was like noon, right, it didn't pee or before he hit here. We were driving straight into it and and it looked real bad and we started. We were going into. I mean, and it was one of those things where you can't see in front of you like a white out if you're in snow.
Speaker 2:And I felt so bad for this person in front of us, I mean because she was in a convertible Mustang and it caught it and flopped it open and so she was driving with that wind oh no, it wouldn't a convertible and she got to up under a overpass and then stopped there and she got out and put it back and I thought, oh, that's terrible, but we were driving and we were at a big vehicle thank goodness going straight into it and we stopped for a little bit under that overpass and then I don't, I'm just impatient. So I like I just got to keep going because I know that the storm is gonna come through. We're gonna. The longer I wait, the longer it's gonna take.
Speaker 2:So we started driving again and I had I was 10 miles an hour blinkers on and then we got into the town of Peoria and there was water everywhere, because it's just the day lose, and there were cars driving through it and we kind of use it was. It was really crazy. And then I was telling my kids when I was driving through it. Yeah, I've driven through stuff like this before this is not bad, you know you know it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2:You know when you. You know when you're driving like this. Kids, you gotta look right over the hood, look at the lines. I couldn't see any line. It's that bad. And the good thing was there wasn't the crazy people flying past us. But then we got done and we got back to the hotel and later on that night I was like I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've ever been anything that bad, let me let me rephrase what I said.
Speaker 2:You just witnessed this, kids that was really bad, okay, and don't do what your dad did pull over the side of the road. But then we then we later heard about it just annihilate and do they postpone any of the rounds with that?
Speaker 2:storm, yeah, one round, because it just came through and then that was it, and they did, they got. They didn't get any of the damage with the trees that we did here. I mean it just ravaged Deming Park, yeah, the course there, the course just thing with disc golf courses, the one at Brazil, yeah, it got. It got beat up bad too, a lot of those old trees and it's really weird. I don't know if I've ever seen anything like this, for and I know you noticed this but it almost took the trees and split them down the center, yeah, so I I think and I'm not a meteorologist, although I really love to be- one, if I ever have a second thing that I can do in my life I want to be meteorologist or storm chaser okay but it's almost like the.
Speaker 2:The wind came straight down because it hit those trees at such a different angle than what they're used to and just it like normal trees and just split them down.
Speaker 1:The center really crazy and it's just like.
Speaker 2:That's really odd. And you know, praise the Lord, we were not in town at the time and our weird thing is, our house never lost power yeah that's good, and the other side of the street did yeah we came home and, well, we have a totally dysfunctioning air conditioner right now.
Speaker 2:But you know, you really, yeah, I mean it's like it's like our constant battle. It's because I YouTube fix it over and over again. We had it. We had a guy come out to look at it and he goes oh yeah, these wires are turned, flipped in the wrong spot. I was like that was me so he did that, but it didn't broke a few days later.
Speaker 2:So then you know it's the constant battle. And then I really question why I did not go into HVAC myself, because I thought you could make really good money doing this right now. But anyway, that's what. That's where we've been, back back to work now and back to the normal flow. It's everybody. I mean I know this is kind of the way it is everywhere in Vio County, but I mean it seems like the public school, like they're closing those summers down and so so many people are trying to take vacations, yeah, and it's kind of be like before August 10th or 11th and and yeah, actually looking at some changes to stuff that we're doing at the, at some with our department like these, we have a lot of people that are in there upper 20s, 30s and 40s and this is the time that can take a vacation with kids because of school, and don't you think too, with COVID, because that was restricted, we couldn't take a decent family vacation for so long, and that was the one thing he felt like you wanted to do yours.
Speaker 1:You're locked in your house. Yeah, it feels like this is it's normal. Now we can, we can go do whatever we wanted.
Speaker 2:People are just they do taking the trips and I think that they're looking forward to it and they really. I think that people are just really enjoying that. That like, maybe it was a routine before, right, but now it feels like a real getaway. I mean, I know they're COVID, I guess you could have got away, but you're gonna go to some other place, that right, no kind of restrictions they're gonna have. Yeah, and a lot of people saved vacation time during that time and they want to use it now. So we tried, we try to let them use it in ways we can, but it seems like it's all packed in and then, all about August 10, everybody's back to it's back to normal, you know, yeah, but it's too bad. I wonder if they'll ever go to like year-round school where they take a really big break in the like a nice break in the fall, doesn't?
Speaker 1:isn't. Doesn't Japan do that?
Speaker 2:I think they do, or I think Indianapolis does, don't they do they? Maybe Japan goes year-round, but I know in Indianapolis they have like large chunks of weeks off, yeah, which really is nice for parents who take vacations, because you could say, oh, we can do one, you know, in October, or then we can do one in, like, I guess, spring break, you know, but if you want to go south or something, but yeah I don't know, I wonder if they'll ever change that as they, as they move around, and I think a lot of people have realized that you know, you don't necessarily have to be in school every single day. The place is open and so if they were gonna work with those teachers, they can be able to do stuff outside of that. Yeah, yeah, well, we know that yeah, yeah, so well.
Speaker 1:So let's switch gears a little bit. I was gonna ask you a question and and not just because I wanted to talk about myself. Yeah, I wanted to ask you a question because I was thinking I'm not sure, I'm not sure I know you. Okay, I want to talk about politics and I want to talk about our perception, or our, our view of politics, our ideology. I mean, I've always been conservative, you've probably already always been conservative, but I've had, I've had to. I have to say, I've had a pretty big, I don't know eye-opening or shift or change in the way I've thought, from the way, you know, when I was younger to now. And I just wondered if, maybe in the past six, seven years, if and I think this is happened for a lot of folks is why I'm asking. I know you voted for Trump, I voted for Trump too, yeah, but prior to that, have you is there been any kind of metamorphosis in your political views or is it all kind of stayed the same?
Speaker 2:well I can go back to when I started voting and so my dad was really. He really wanted to start voting and I remember I don't know if a lot of other kids when they turned 18 that was that big of a deal. My dad was like you need to sign up, you need to go vote. So I remember him putting a real big emphasis on that. So I remember going to Sandcut at the time to vote when I was 18 and I showed up and asked for what ballot? And you know it's just the whatever, the firehouse, whatever and like, and I asked for a Republican ballot and I said, oh, you're one of them. I really didn't know what it meant at the time, 18 years old, you know I don't, I didn't really understand a lot of it. And then I think I mean I've always kind of been right and and so I've always kind of I always voted Republican for quite a while.
Speaker 2:I think in recent years, let's say in the last 10, I started questioning a lot of different things and then so I started looking more on the ballot and I don't, I purposely don't vote straight ticket. I'll be honest, and now some people encourage that I don't vote straight ticket. I make sure then I understand now after running, after helping you run, how much time people put into campaigns and I want to make sure when I make that decision it's not a straight ticket. I want to look at every name absolutely because there's a lot that goes in to putting that name on there and there's a lot of American lives that have been sacrificed for that, for that name to be on there. So I go through each one and I definitely don't vote straight ticket and I think, unfortunately, in recent years, I I wouldn't say that I lean the other way, but I do think that I I definitely take every decision very, very personally. I mean, I don't know how to say it in a different way, but I think very, very much on each one of those decisions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I really don't look necessarily always a party. If I'm not for sure, I can go by party. I mean I'm socially conservative, I mean right, I could easily say that. But I don't believe either, have the answer right and I done, and honest and really the answer for politics is usually more politics, and I don't believe that and this is in more recent years. I don't believe the answer for the world is in politics, because they're always going to have a political answer. I think the answer for the world and the problems is inside of us, and I know that that could be like and that's Jesus Christ that lives inside of us and that's where I believe. But I think that politics is something that just kind of gets in the way of those different giftings that people have. And I think that people can have giftings under different political parties, although I think it probably is more difficult in some than others. But I really am very intentional about who I choose.
Speaker 1:Well, we need more people like you in the political arena, that's for sure, because I think a lot of folks don't pay any attention. Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of folks don't vote. It is astounding, especially statistically on the right. Yeah, voter participation is terrible. I mean, you've got a lot of folks organized on the left. They're consistent. It's a religion to them. It's very, very important. Yeah, they vote. They vote all the time. Yeah, half the time they'll protest. They're in people's face, not all of them, but they're all very active as a rule. So then on the right, it takes like a President Trump, it takes a presidential election. We're not showing up for the municipal elections, we're not showing up for the midterms, we're showing up for the big ones. You know whatever, when we think it's going to make a difference, and I think that's just. That's a tragedy. Every single time there is an opportunity to vote is an opportunity for us to choose our leaders and the government. Yes, and then the sad thing is, those are the folks that aren't voting, are the ones complaining.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you don't have a right to complain if you're not going to be informed and then vote. I was. I was like you, I man, I was ready to vote at 18 and I I was very politically active. There was a picture of me in the paper the local paper and Spencer of, at a Lincoln Day, all dressed up in a suit and a and a, a mullet hair down past my shoulders, shaking a Congressman, john Myers hand, at a Lincoln Day dinner. And a lot of folks around here will know who John Myers was, because this, this was. You know where he lived was Vigo County. I started a Christian coalition chapter when I was 18.
Speaker 1:I've always been very politically. I mean my my upbringing, when I was, I went to a Christian school when I was in kindergarten and I remember every day in kindergarten we prayed for the Iran hostages Wow, I mean that. You know we and we did it every day for a long time because they were. They were there almost a year and I remember, you know, we prayed for for President Carter. We prayed for the Iranian hostages. I'm a little kid and I remember the election of 1980 was going on and I heard my parents saying that it was. It looked like Jimmy Carter was going to lose and I was upset. It was just pretty funny because we'd been praying for him. I mean, I didn't know, I was just a kid and my parents who had voted for Carter because he was a Christian, yeah. So oh no, no, it's probably okay.
Speaker 1:We think Reagan might be a better choice and, and of course you know you know our prayers were answered the Iranian hostages, before he was even sworn in or released, and then pride in America came back. So I, you know, I grew up in the Reagan years and I remember going to Washington for Jesus, where all the Christians would be on the Washington Mall for 24 hours praying for the country, and he addressed us via video. But he thanked us and said you're the salt of the earth, you're the reason why you know we're going to win this, this fight for life and pro-life president. He was so inspiring and just it was. It was so you just believed. You believed in Mayberry, you believed in America and the goodness of who we were as a country because of him, and he just exuded that and lived it. He'd lived it prior and you know, ronald Reagan was a wonderful president and I just I honestly, looking back, I have had such a change politically and I would have to say it started with the second term of George W Bush, when the economy started to collapse with we had the, the 08 financial crisis and things that were liberal policies or what created that.
Speaker 1:I mean we can go into that at some other time. Everybody wants to talk about it, but it's true it's. It was a mortgage policy put in by Jimmy Carter, encouraged and strengthened by Bill Clinton, and it was basically you couldn't afford a house, you shouldn't get a house, but we're going to give you a house because we're going to fill a quota and we're going to put a gun to the head of the banks. They're going to loan it to you. So these banks would then pass on these very suspect mortgages and eventually it collapsed in the bubble of the housing bubble collapsed. So anyway, when I saw him lay out the buying of the banks and the bailing out of these investment companies and people don't maybe remember that because Barack Obama came in and when Barack Obama came in, he, you know, he helped purchase GM, which is just a bizarre government purchase. I mean it's fascism. But your government does not purchase private companies to keep quote, keep them afloat.
Speaker 1:But Bush had laid the groundwork for it and had done it himself and I was like what's the difference? And I started to started to go are these guys working together? And I remember John McCain suspended his campaign in the middle of all that and I was not a huge fan of McCain but I thought, you know, he's going to be better than Obama. And he suspended his campaign. He was going to Washington, he was going to make this big stand in this whole, you know, crisis and his stand was to increase the bailouts. And I'm like what's what's going on here? And that's when things started to change. I mean, I was, I was pro Iraq war. I thought, yeah, it makes sense. You know, he's terrible. There's probably war, weapons of mass destruction. I was all for that. And as the years have gone on, I've begun to have a major shift and I'm like, you know, trump didn't engage us in any of these endless wars.
Speaker 1:And I remember Rush Limbaugh talking about this and he actually talked about this short, shortly before he passed away. But he he said there are people who are vested in our government to make sure and, in the end, in the private sector, they're vested to make sure that we are always at war. They need that war machine to go on. It's what Eisenhower warned about, the industrial military complex, and it's, it's, it's. We need a war to build the weapons, and then the weapons are produced by American companies. We need those contracts. So we've got to continue and it's just a continual process. And he said. He said another thing too, and this is really interesting After World War II we had a mentality prior to World War II and prior to World War I we were isolationists as a country prior to World War II.
Speaker 1:So World War, when Woodrow Wilson came along, he pushed us. You know it was going to be a Christian war. Whatever. He pushed us into World War I. He wanted us to get involved. He didn't want us to get involved, he said publicly, but he wanted us to get involved. They always do, because it's an opportunity for these guys to organize society Side thing. But it was an organized society thing. They had sedition laws and all kinds of stuff. They jailed the press during Woodrow Wilson's. I mean, he was, he was actually a terrible president, but we were very isolationist as a country. It was, it's our tradition and we began to have all these folks coming back from World War I and they'd had these experiences around the world. So League of Nations was a complete failure. So you know we're going to bring about the United Nations. So it was still this. This we started to begin to. We've seen this documentary about the immigration. Policies that were in between World War I and World War II was very stringent. I mean, almost no one was allowed into the country for like 30 years. We shut immigration, legal immigration, down completely.
Speaker 1:So World War II happens and the mentality of of Americans after it radically changed. We felt obligated to rebuild Europe. We found troops in South Korea because obviously the Korean War happened a few years later, but we had our troops in South Korea. We had our troops in Germany permanently and troops having troops, american troops, around the world to police nations or to keep peace. And NATO was formed and you know all this stuff and I'm not saying all of that as negative. But the mentality was hey, we're a superpower, so we have a responsibility to involve ourselves in conflicts around the globe to, whatever it is, bring peace further, democracy and man my mentality. I'm like what have we accomplished with all this American blood, sweat and tears? And I think that I think America has shifted away from that, and so now we're, we're, we're finding ourselves.
Speaker 1:We had four years of Trump where we were told North Korea was going to be this terrible thing. It became nothing. He dealt with it with, with with good diplomacy, it's a little. It's literally the Teddy Roosevelt philosophy, which is speak softly and carry a large stick. That was Teddy Roosevelt and he, he's absolutely correct. You don't need to be, you know, bombastic, you can be nice, whatever, but if we come, buddy, we're coming through. I mean, it's you. You're going to remember an encounter with the United States. We found ourselves embroiled in Afghanistan. We found ourselves embroiled in Syria. We found ourselves, you know, when Trump came in and he was able to keep peace. We had four years of peace. So this thing with Ukraine that's happened would not have occurred if Trump was president. His diplomacy and his foreign policy would have taken care of it. So I think, folks, right now and I'm, I'm in this boat see the Bidens and the establishment Republicans, because, see, there's no difference.
Speaker 2:This is what's so disappointing, Jimmy.
Speaker 1:I know they are dragging us into World War three over there and you're like why are you doing this? We're now sending American troops over there, stationing them over there about 3,000 of them, I think. Last month Biden called up and it is. It's a real threat, real danger, it's anyway. So my mentality has completely changed. I'm looking back now and I'm like why did we go into Iraq? Why did we do that?
Speaker 1:Honestly, people that accused George W of avenging his father's defeat there or his father's mistake, whatever I think that's, I think that's pretty accurate. I mean, or you can lay the blame at the feet of the CIA. They purposely lied to him and said there were weapons of mass destruction. This is, this, is this whole thing. That's that's been exposed. Tucker Carlson's been a part of this. All of the stuff that we found out about. You know, the things that have happened to Trump or conservative Republicans tied to tied to him since then. You're like we're fighting something that you're right. It is not a political solution. We've got we've got stuff behind the scenes. These folks are not on the ballot. You can vote Republican all you want, but they're not on the ballot. The head of the CIA, the head of the FBI. They're not there and they're the ones really causing a lot of damage right now.
Speaker 1:So that's the eye opening that I've had and I, you know, I ran for office. I believe in godly people running for office. I totally and I will totally vote that way and I will totally support people. And I'm not saying that I wouldn't run again for something if God led me to do. But we need a cultural revolution. Yes, we really do.
Speaker 1:And if you think about it, think about what happened in the seventies with the Jesus movement, so you had a, you had a Jesus movement, but you also had a very radical leftist free love. You know, make love, not war. Vietnam protests, a lot of drugs, a lot of rebellion in the early 60s, late 60s, and you saw them migrate. That same group of people migrate into the public schools as teachers, migrate into the university. All of them, a lot of them, moved into journalism and into the press and into the media and a lot of them moved into politics. I mean, bill Clinton was literally one of those people and you saw this whole migration of this philosophy. It was really an anti-God philosophy, anti-restriction, don't tell us, you know, an anti-American, which is really sad.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, you had a cultural revolution of the Jesus movement going on at the same time and when it was kind of God's answer to that, unfortunately they were not politically astute, which is why I think it's important that we, as Christians, be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, because it's important to have wisdom. So these all these young new believers, they are so excited when Jimmy Carter comes around, because Jimmy Carter is a Christian and man. We're going to vote Christian. It's that's. I mean, he was a Sunday school teacher. He was a very spiritual guy and I'm not saying he was a bad person, but politically he was a complete and total disaster and his philosophies were Marxist. He had no business being president or anywhere near a political office, but culturally a revolution had taken place and it ushered him into office. It wasn't a political movement, it was a spiritual movement and they they corrected, they realized their mistake and, man, that's right, they were the Reagan supporters of the 80s. I mean that, those Jesus people. So I'm like I see this happening again. I see a cultural revolution going on now. I mean we, we there's 5,000 people baptized in the in the Pacific Ocean the other day. I mean it's just phenomenal amounts of a spiritual awakening.
Speaker 1:That is the answer to me, and I believe you you know you feel the same way I do. Let's, let's see a generation that goes where. We've had it. Quit telling me I can be whatever gender I want to be. Quit telling me that, that I decide my own purpose or I decide who. You know what I'm going to be or whatever I feel for the day. I want to know truth, and is there a God? And was I created with a destiny and a purpose? And if so, I want to. I want to know what that is. I want to know him, and that's really the exciting thing. I think that really is going on right now. I do think God has an answer to what's, what's, what's been occurring.
Speaker 2:Absolutely so. I mean, I, I 100% down that road. I think that, as as we, we've probably said before, what Satan means for bad, God can turn around for good every time. So these, the, the people, that these, I think this generation is being told you know, you go with your well, you feel what this or or how you're doing it this day or that day, or look what this person's doing.
Speaker 2:There is a search for truth. Yeah, and I really think that's that's what's going to change everything, because we, we can't, you can't live your life. I don't, I don't believe we're made as human beings to live on a boat where the water's going up and down and up and down. We, I think we're built to find truth. Yeah, I agree, and some people will find the truth, maybe in the wrong place. Yeah, but there is one truth that will go and is always anchored. I mean just, I mean the. The, the Lord gives the truth to that perfect truth, and it's the only piece that brings gums. He, I mean so, I don't know. I, I think that there's a lot of the. The negative, spiritual aspect of it is trying to make everybody feel this you know, go with what feels good, but it's actually making people seek truth more than they had before, and I think that's straight out of COVID too. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people want truth.
Speaker 2:I agree, people want truth. I mean, I think that you know. I mean there's a lot of things that happened and some things that you believe, some things you don't believe, some things you did believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then later came up they weren't true. Some things that weren't true that you, that you said were not true, but then now you find the truth. So I think what we want as people, as human beings, we just want solid truth. I just don't want to be lying to you.
Speaker 1:Well, don't, don't you think that if you had your eyes open at all through this last several years going through COVID, if you are still believing that the government is not lying to you or that it always tells you the truth, then you're probably hopeless, because it was as clear as the nose on your face they lied to us and they continued to lie to us. I mean the stuff that's being exposed now about how the FBI was literally colluding with Facebook, instagram, twitter, telling them what they could or could not say, coordinating and knowing that what they were telling them was a lie. And I think even on the other end I mean we blame social media. I think they wanted, yeah, I mean I think they were. I mean I feel like if it was Trump's FBI and they were in there telling them you need to promote ivermectin, you need to promote some of these cures that we know work, I think they would have been resistant to it. I mean I think they were partners.
Speaker 1:I'm not putting all the blame on the FBI and the DOJ and Homeland Security, but that is outrageous, that our government was working hard to censor truth to the American people. We were absolutely lied to by the CDC to this day, absolute fallacies and what's what's sad is you had a lot of the medical community joining in. And how do you trust these people? Again, yeah, we were in an emergency situation where the emergency was that we needed truth. People were dying from mistreatment because we were being told the wrong things. So the emergency we were going through in COVID was more a propaganda emergency. We needed to know what was going on, what is happening here, and you know people might not have known right at the beginning. We get that. We got a process of discovery. But once it was known, oh my gosh, if you came and you had a narrative that was opposite what the government wanted, said you were shut down. I know, and it's that's so to me I think it has worked as a.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of folks that have gone through COVID and go. You know what? I'm sorry, I cannot trust the government now. I have no idea. Anytime they say something it's going to be. There's no way. It's true. I mean to this day.
Speaker 1:Now we so you know not to shift gears too much, but I mean bag of cocaine in the White House and we have no idea. It is the most secure place on the face of the earth. It is the most. There are more security cameras and security all over. And you're going to tell me that a bag of cocaine found its way into the secure area of the White House and nobody has a clue who is. It's? Hunter Bidens. Everybody knows this. We all know it. We've seen the pictures. The dude the dude's a snorter, I mean it's just, there's no other way around it. And the fact that they won't tell us who's it is, oh, we're going to close the investigation. We don't have any idea who's this was. We all know. We now do know because of this, because nobody trusts them, and that's not a great place for a people to be that they cannot trust their government.
Speaker 2:I think now this is. I agree with most of it, but I think there were a lot of people who were trying to tell the truth Well, I agree, but were fed information Okay, that was not true Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And so then they there, but are their eyes open now?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, so I really, I really believe a lot of them are, but they're silent about it. Yeah, yeah, because I think that they had principles that they relied on for a long time maybe not godly principles, maybe some godly principles, but they relied on those. But then they used information that was false. They believed it. They took their credibility that they had maybe medical professionals Right, and put it on the line.
Speaker 2:And said this is what I'm told we have to do. I have to abide by this. If this person doesn't do this, this is what I'm told is right, because, I mean, medicine is as it's always been. There's textbooks, right, there's textbooks the way to treat things, all these different ways to treat things, and so, oh, let's go back to some studies or let's go back to this, oh, yeah, and let's go back to what the books say, what they've been doing for years, right, and that's where they found their truth in that.
Speaker 2:But they were being fed information that was false, but they, they projected this truth. Oh, absolutely, they took their reputation as, I mean, in medical profession, I mean, we have got a lot of work to do, yeah, and unfortunately, there's not a lot of trust anymore. Yeah, I mean, I think there's still some people that trust, but from from this community. We were saying things sometimes that we reinfed that information. Yes, and we had to regurgitate it because somebody asked you a question. But I wonder if, I wonder if, if, when all of it started and I mean I've I worked in the middle of, and I remember it was it was really odd because we changed the way we were treating people and we were doing things different than before, and it was all based upon a recommendation yes or about she was saying Upon aerosolization.
Speaker 2:So we changed the way, we did almost everything in there. And then when you change the way we've isolated patients for a long time and we now say we have to isolate different, you're like, okay, well, this is weird, so we're changing this up. And then we changed something else up, and then we were hostages to the recommendations, absolutely, because you'd be fired if you weren't. Well, yeah, you have to go by.
Speaker 2:These folks would be losing their jobs. You had to go by something and I just I wonder, I wonder if there's a silent group out there of free thinkers. I mean people that are like hmm man, I yeah, stepped in that once, I'm not doing it again.
Speaker 1:Maybe we shouldn't have killed grandma in isolation and let her see grandpa and the kids before she passed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean seriously, that's if, that's if the you know what I don't know. If there is the truth that ever truly comes out about I don't know if it ever will, because it would be it'll be one of the most damning things.
Speaker 1:But it's there.
Speaker 2:I mean it's there if people want to see it, but I don't know if it would ever be truly exposed. Yeah, yeah. Because it I mean it.
Speaker 1:I mean it Don't you think truth is like that? I think I think that's the Okay, I mean I think that's the battle with truth. It has to be sought for, you have to treasure it, you have to, you have to seek it out. I mean, honestly, I feel like it's pretty available right now. If you really want it, it's out there. Peter McCullough is a great, great MD researcher to take advantage of. I mean, there's tons of resources out there. That way you can, you can find the science. Yeah, regardless of what Fauci said, he wasn't science. He is. You know, he is the science. Well, science is corrupt. If he's the science.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of really good.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of really good people out there in science that are trying to actually find actually find cures and all these different things yeah.
Speaker 1:Jimmy is kind of what you're saying. We have a lot of well-meaning people, yeah, who care about people, yes, who are in the medical industry because they're called. Yes, I mean they're. You know, every industry has folks that are just getting a paycheck.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But there are a lot of folks that were that. They're there because they love people, they want to take care of people and they were lied to. They were lied to and the problem is, where's their foundation? I mean, if they come to grips with the fact that the CDC and the medical directors from Indianapolis and all of these folks were all following these guidelines that we know are completely anti-science, anti-medical and with the absolute wrong things we should have been doing, if they'll come to grips with that, then what? I mean they've depend on these folks. Yeah, this is where they get their guidance, and so you feel sorry for them. I think there were a lot of, a lot of people that were fooled. I mean, when it started, none of us knew exactly.
Speaker 2:I mean it didn't make sense. No, you're exactly right, but we were all going.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll take two weeks off and not go outside our I mean, this thing must be horrible. I mean we were all on board until things started to not pass the smell test, and I think you know we don't need to rehash COVID necessarily, but it was an episode in our nation's history that, you're right, has totally turned an entire generation to be skeptics of their government, and that's not a bad thing. We're in the place we're at right now, yeah, I know. So what's Satan meant for bad? That's right. Well, there's church shakeups. You talk about the shakeups that happened in the church and they're still happening to this day. Leaders are being removed.
Speaker 2:As many should be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they should be. Honestly, there needs to be apologies because I my stance always was. From the very beginning of this in the church, my stance was always this the Bible, the word of God, is the standard. It's what we follow. Jesus is who we follow. So when Jesus says in the word, do not neglect the meeting of yourselves together, and even more when you see the day approaching the end of the end times, keep meeting together. It says if anyone's sick, lay hands on them, and they'll be, they'll be healed or whatever. The continual admonition to lay hands on the sick is in the New Testament, it's in the word of God.
Speaker 1:And we went the exact opposite way. We made excuses for it. We're keeping people safe, whatever. And church leaders ran the opposite way, not all of them, but a lot of them, and that to me was, was the church, church's worst hour in this whole thing, and I honestly blame the church more than I blame anything else, because, oh my gosh, I heard so many times for once I heard it a million times oh my gosh, christians, we should obey every precept given by man, we should obey our leaders and blah, blah, blah, blah, no-transcript. Then, in wisdom, we need to understand that our leaders are breaking the law. We have a constitutional right to assemble. They don't have any say in that. So constitutionally they're the lawless ones and said the church. You know it's much easier. Go the other way. Let's be accommodating and again, not to rehash it all. But the earthquake that took place, culturally there was still being felt and it's honestly right now. I think it's good stuff that's come from it. I do too. We're never going back to that again.
Speaker 1:No society wants to do it. We are never going back to that, and I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone that didn't get the shot that regrets not getting the shot. So that's enough. I mean, I should say something right there. So Wow Well we, you know what.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what. And it's one of those things you know, because we all talked a lot during that time. You know that right. I mean all the COVID times we talked through all of this. I mean we talked it to ad nauseam, we were, we were done. I mean you know we'd all. And now, in retrospect, looking back, it's still as important as the time we were in it. It is still a critical. It's a liberty issue. It was, it was a freedom and liberty issue. It is more important than anything else. And isn't that funny? 9-11 was a little bit like that too. In retrospect, looking back, when Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were passed, I was all for those things. I was. I was actually not for Homeland Security. I'm like why do we need another?
Speaker 2:why do we need another big brother, what's what's this about?
Speaker 1:And it's, it's, it's been to fruition. It's a terrible thing, but it was always on the argument of safety. It's always on safety and security. And that's where you lose your freedom. When somebody argues hey, I know, I know it violates your rights, but man, we got to keep people safe, we got to keep people safe. And that's when liberty dies, that's where it goes away. So well, I think we've covered enough issues tonight, don't you think, jimmy? I think so. That was good. That was good, all right.
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Speaker 1:We do that same thing.
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Speaker 1:We started the audio version. We did at least five, six episodes before we ever did a. I think about six episodes before we did a the video, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2:Absolutely, and if you're interested, if you want to be a guest, let us know. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, I mean, we've had some political guests on. But I mean, if you got something to say, it'd be kind of interesting too, and you don't necessarily have to be with us.
Speaker 1:We can always end it out, and then no one has to listen to you If we don't agree with it. Yeah, We'll, we'll cut it out and make it seem like you say something really terrible, just kidding. Just kidding, we'll put you on no we wouldn't do that to you.
Speaker 2:But no, I mean we're open, as you kind of found out tonight. I mean we're, we cover everything, we do cover everything. Yeah, we do. Thanks for listening, absolutely, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 1:Bye.