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Discussing the book Shepherds for Sale and taking questions.
We went live and Talked about the book "Shepherds for Sale" and took questions.
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Welcome to MC Square Podcast. This is episode. Andrew's always got to help me with this 31. 31. Thank you for being here. We're streaming on three different networks. Hopefully you're watching and maybe you caught. We were just having some open conversation about people watching. So what's going on, andrew? What's our topics tonight? Because we really got to think about this.
Speaker 2:Well, so I've kind of heralded this new book by Megan Basham Shepherds for Sale. There's been a huge uproar there we go Online about this book and there was a lot of blowback on social media Rebuttals and whatnot. I've got to read this book because I've liked her reporting she's actually a journalist. So I had to read this book because I've liked her reporting she's actually a journalist. So I had to read it and I wanted to talk about it last podcast. But I hadn't actually read it. I couldn't get all the way through it. I just read a chapter. So I mentioned it to Jimmy and Jimmy was going to read it and then we were going to kind of talk, you know, because I didn't want him to act like he didn't know what we were talking about. So anyway, I finished it, read it. It's awesome. And then, how far did you get?
Speaker 1:I got through a chapter, so I mean I'll probably be good in two weeks.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm surrounded by friends who don't like to read.
Speaker 1:I like to listen, because you're not the only one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like to listen Because you're not the only one.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, thank goodness.
Speaker 2:No, you're not the only one, not at all. So okay.
Speaker 1:Well, not that it wasn't, not that it's not good at all, yeah, so what you read, what were your thoughts? It's just it's an interesting perspective and I think that there's a lot of stuff. I mean, I'm all for myself for exposure on the political realm, in the religious realm, obviously, and so I think that that first chapter that's really what she's kind of diving into, the intro was actually really really good. Yeah, it was talking about in the first chapter, because that's as far as I got so far, okay, so far is uh the 11th commandment, which I've never heard it before.
Speaker 1:Obviously you've heard it before yeah, but I heard that.
Speaker 2:I heard it different. Yeah, because ronald reagan's 11th commandment was never criticized.
Speaker 1:Fellow republicans, yeah, so the 11th commandment, and I guess in the church is don't criticize the pastor, yeah, which that that's that's pretty interesting and and I wouldn't say that, uh, I've not been there before because I feel like it's a pretty hard job yeah, but I mean I think this is going to open my eyes a little bit to it. Also, I mean I've really not been a part of a religious group that is that big, yeah, and that like layered. Yeah. I mean the Southern Baptist Committee. I mean they have like and I was listening to one of the interviews that she did I mean they have like many different layers going up that essentially are saying, okay, this is what we're following, we're going this direction.
Speaker 2:Right. So I think the interesting thing for me was the exposure of left-wing nuts billionaires George Soros being one of them that are pouring money into the attempt to break down and you would have read this in Chapter 1, I think the attempt to break down the stronghold that is Christian evangelical voting block. Yeah, because they haven't been able to get liberal agenda passed. The Democrats have not been able to get the legislation that they've wanted for climate change, the legislation that they've wanted to open the borders, because these are all the things that they want to open the borders, because these are all the things that they want. They have not been able to get terribly effective because of the church, with the LGBTQT, you know, forget all the alphabet crowd and they've failed in a lot of areas and their biggest obstacle is Christians basically, which is pretty funny. So they have come up with an idea to just flat out go out the church by trying to Christianize a lot of Marxist theology.
Speaker 2:So the Me Too movement was another one. It's pretty interesting. It's actually a very fascinating book if you love the cultural issues, because she takes a chapter on each one and she kind of breaks down the behind the scenes where the money and the influence is coming from and it is shocking and disappointing actually. So some of the people she targets Russell Moore, head of Christianity Today. He's the editor of Christianity Today. He was also the president, former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, jd Greer, who I think is now the president. He also exposed him, andy Stanley, which Andy Stanley did a fair job of doing that himself, actually, and and that's something I don't know if you're familiar with that whole andy stanley stuff.
Speaker 1:No, are you? Familiar with andy stanley I am actually many years ago. Many years ago we did some like small groups of randy stanley stuff with andy stanley. Okay, he had some good small group stuff back in the day. I mean it's like I would probably term a lot of this stuff and I'll get into it, but it's milk.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When it comes to Christian.
Speaker 2:Well with Andy Stanley. So let's talk about him in particular. You move back before all of the controversy and all the things that came out. He was an excellent he is an excellent communicator. His dad was the very famous televangelist but I don't know if you call him a televangelist, charles Stanley. I mean I remember my grandparents watching him every Sunday morning before they'd go to church and watch Charles Stanley, and so it's his son. And so with Andy Stanley, he was a leadership kind of a leadership guy, honestly, and his stuff was awesome. I mean it's really really good. I heard at a leadership conference, I heard him talk and it's just really good stuff. I mean he's just a great communicator.
Speaker 2:Well, basically, in a nutshell, two main things with Andy Stanley that are huge red flags for a Christian. The first is that he has begun teaching pretty hardcore to disconnect ourselves from the Old Testament. Christians need to totally disconnect themselves from the Old Testament. Well, that's a huge red flag for a Christian when you start to tear apart the Word of God For an evangelical, which means actually Billy Graham kind of brought this into the forefront as a popularity thing. A popular thing, not a popularity thing, a popular thing into culture, bringing back, which I didn't realize, this believing the Bible, believing the Bible as Christians there was a huge swath of Christians that didn't believe. Believing the Bible, believing the Bible as Christians there was a huge swath of Christians that didn't believe. You know, parts of the Bible, whatever. And so the evangelical church really is kind of centered around believing the Bible as the basis for our conversation within Christianity. So unhook yourself from the Old Testament. That's a huge red flag. And then then the exposure really is that that Andy Stanley has been pushing a pro gay agenda. He is completely pro gay, pro homosexual marriage. It is, it is a devastating heresy and it is really, really it's. It's terrible actually. So I've stopped listening to Andy Stanley.
Speaker 2:You know you can be a leader. So the leadership stuff, leadership principles, are true. No matter if you're a good leader or a bad leader, or if you're pushing a bad agenda or a good agenda, there's still leadership principles. I mean they are what they are. It's like you know principles on how to make money, get up, get up, be on time. You know, do your job. Whatever it is, those, those are great principles. It doesn't. You can be a terrible person and do those things. So just because he was a leadership guru. So, anyway, there's a whole host of them.
Speaker 2:But I think what, what was, uh, what was eyeopening and encouraging to me was all of these things. I think, jimmy, you and a lot of people that are listening, inherently sensed something was wrong during COVID, when pastors would get up there and they'd use the phrase love your neighbor. You know like Jesus would love your neighbor. So good, get the shot, go get. Well, this was all funded, literally that line was even funded by Soros and all of these people that are pushing this in the church, and they had willing accomplices and all that kind of stuff. So what we've sensed, it was kind of like peeling back the covers and you can see kind of the inner working. So I thought she did a really good job.
Speaker 2:It wasn't so deep that you bogged down in it, it was very quick. One chapter on each subject went through it and you didn't read this part. But the very last chapter I thought was really good, because she kind of deals with the crux of why is this important for sinners, for the lost, for the lost. Why is this important for sinners? Yeah, for the lost, for the lost. And she brings her own testimony into it, which Megan's testimony was.
Speaker 2:She grew up in a Christian home Her parents are Christians, excuse me and she got big into the drug scene and she said I mean bad drugs like like, uh, so bad that she she took something she said was called the Holy Trinity, which she didn't realize that's what it was and said most of the time that 90% of people who OD on drugs that's what they take. And she woke up in a jail cell and she just felt like it was the mercy of God and so she constantly having this reoccurring thing, and so she got right with the Lord, because there wasn't, because there was a message from a pastor that basically said you need to repent your childhood trauma, your all the excuses that you want to bring up this hurt and that hurt. But the reality is we all have sinned and fallen short and we have to take responsibility for our own actions. You've sinned, you can stop this, you can follow Christ, you can do this. And so it was a huge wake-up call to her, and her message about all of this was we have these folks that are struggling sexual sin or they're struggling with temptation in one way or the other, and the message of the church has not been a message of repent. It's been a message of you're okay, you're okay, come on in and it's okay the way you are.
Speaker 2:And the reality is none of us are okay the way we are. We all need a savior, and it's the most freeing thing in the world to have someone say if you will repent and you will ask Jesus into your heart and you will make a decision to follow him, all of that is washed away, and so that's the part that is actually missing. With the quote love your neighbor stuff. I think we're still having we having some technical difficulties. Still, I don't see the red bars, okay. So I was actually pretty inspired because she had a line in there and it means a lot to me. You know, with my own personal story, yeah, and it was. We serve a God who still brings dead girls to life, and that was just.
Speaker 2:I mean that got me when I read that and just really powerful, so it's a good book. I mean it's, it's one of those things that I like. It cause it's exposure and it's and it kind of is in my wheelhouse of some of the reasons I've left some churches. Some of the reasons I've left some churches, some of the stuff that's just like, oh, and it's kind of, you know, it's kind of been some good exposure. I'll show it up here so people can see it. Yeah, I mean this is the book Very short actually. I mean do you see how that's short?
Speaker 1:I know it's 11 hours on audio by the way. All right, so enough of that, but she does orate it, which is really nice on Audible if you're into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay. So I guess that's that you got any.
Speaker 1:No, I was going to ask a little bit about it, because you talk, I mean when you're saying and you've obviously read it but when you're saying you're talking about, like George Soros infiltrating these churches, now are you talking about like, how would he infiltrate? Like a? It was like small churches, big churches, what exactly?
Speaker 2:So through like curriculum, bible studies, advocacy groups, discipleship groups. There's like a I'm not saying as a broad umbrella, I'm saying specific, like a specific Bible study. So Gospel Coalition is an organization that he actually funds a couple of ministries within their because they have a ton of stuff within their. Gospel Coalition is huge, but they're very welcoming and they love the fact and she kind of spells that out the trail of the money that comes in. So the question really is what has caused these pastors who say they love the Lord, what has caused them to start compromising so badly? And I think it's two things. It's love of money, because there's money involved, but it's also a huge driver and you cannot discount this. There is a huge need for these folks to be welcomed and loved by the world and it's a big deal to them. Nobody really likes to be persecuted for the message of the gospel.
Speaker 1:No, no, they really don't. And you know, the enemy does go after the shepherd, yeah, but I do think there's an interesting Well.
Speaker 2:I think he goes after the sheep, and the shepherd are supposed to lay their lives down. See, that's the thing where you've got these pastors, and their biggest concern is what For the lost, but that's not what their mandate is.
Speaker 1:their mandate is to be a shepherd for the flock because they go out they, if they lose the 99, that one of the 99 they go after of the flock right, but that's.
Speaker 2:that's the story of the father going after the, the one, not, not the shepherds. A shepherd, jesus says the shepherds, if they're a hireling, when they see danger coming, take off, which is what a lot of these folks are doing. I mean, the enemy is at the gate at the American church is at the gate and these shepherds are man, they're hirelings, they're going this way, they're going that and they're not standing up and speaking truth to protect the flock. I mean, I know for a fact, fact there are messages meant to be seeker friendly in big churches that are personally hurting kids in the youth group who are struggling and need to hear. They need to hear a no, what you're doing is wrong, but they don't hear that. They hear we understand. You can always approach and talk to us. We don't condemn you.
Speaker 1:Well, and at that age that can really change somebody's life so you're like okay, then I'm good to go right. And then you heard it. You heard it from a pastor at a young age you can't condemn me.
Speaker 2:Well, your conscience condemns you yeah, because you questioned it already, because it's wrong. Yeah, yes, yeah yeah, so what?
Speaker 1:So what would you give? I'm trying to think through this a little bit. What should somebody do if they think they might be in maybe a church or in a situation like this? What does something come out of the book that can give you what I mean? What should you be doing?
Speaker 2:Well, that's really good, because she actually brings in a couple of stories of people who I'm I feel like, I guess in my mind, I mean, I guess I'm politically aware, so when things, what, what's going on?
Speaker 1:So he laughed. I don't know.
Speaker 2:So when things what, what's going on? I don't know, he laughed, I don't know. So when things are being said by the pastor, like everybody stand up and all the white people apologize to the black people, I feel like, well, no.
Speaker 1:I mean that's pretty obvious, but it happens. I know, jimmy and I, it happens a lot, okay.
Speaker 2:So then you're like and what's funny is in the stories. They're like you know, I don't know, but I just feel like something's not right, oh, I mean, but yeah, so, uh, okay, what's a good way?
Speaker 1:what's a good way to to be able to find the, maybe the hidden stuff, the occult stuff that's going on in the background? And you're like, am I under some kind of compromise leadership, right?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean so they should be preaching the Bible and things should be biblical. And I think that Christians who have the Holy Spirit, they should use that spirit of discernment. And sometimes it's not as easy as checking off all the boxes. Sometimes people will preach what seems to be fine, but your spirit will feel really conflicted and you just need to be open to that. But I think the main thing is that the greater body of Christ is under attack. I mean, it is under attack and we have been told for so long by these same people don't get political, keep politics out of the church.
Speaker 2:But the reality is everything when you have a relationship with Christ. It affects everything. It affects your voting, it affects how you see government, it affects how you see economy, it should affect how you raise your kids and your family, the public school system. If you are in the kingdom of God, it should affect every area of life. There is a no separation, and so for a pastor to tell the flock we leave politics out of this is and it's kind of a red flag in this book. It actually that's the phrase used by the people who are actually being political, because, if you notice, they all have their political causes that they, that they're okay with. It's not political. It's not political to to uh stop trump from having families separated at the border. I mean, I've heard this, that's not political. We just care about families. And you're like, uh, okay, then are you there showing up for all of the uh, uh grieving parents who've had their kids slaughtered by an illegal immigrant? I mean, you hear crickets. You don't hear anything about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're hurting too.
Speaker 1:So what part of all of our walks with Christ is our personal responsibility? It's all our personal responsibility.
Speaker 2:It's all our personal responsibility.
Speaker 1:And how much should we be following church leadership? So if we look back at the early church early, let's say like in, let's say, acts Church so was there leadership there? Was there this, the apostles?
Speaker 2:You're talking about the apostles, yeah.
Speaker 1:Was there? This Was there hierarchy. These tiers of hierarchy.
Speaker 2:I would say that there was, to a certain extent, obviously, in Jerusalem and in Judea, you had Peter and John and, um, you, you did have, you did have that authority, but you had Paul that came in late and he, you know, he was like, yeah, I went off by myself for a while and I figured it out, and then I went, I went and I talked to them and I just quietly was like, hey, this is what I figured out, this is what I believe, what do you think? Because he goes unless I was off my rocker and they're like no, we're okay, You're good, you're fine. And then he comes back later on and he confronts Peter to his face for being a hypocrite, for playing a hypocrite with the Jews. So I think that that's an interesting question because we are all submitted to one to another. That's an interesting question because we are all submitted to one to another. That's right. I mean, we absolutely are.
Speaker 2:But I think folks have had a big problem with the denominational churches over the years because there's been what seems to be a controlling and overarching, dominating or domineering leadership, where you can't do anything that isn't approved from on high. So I think it's a balance, honestly. Yeah, I think it's a balance. I mean, you don't want you know, I've come from a background of a non-denominational church that didn't have any oversight outside of the walls of our church and it got off into Kookyville and it would have been really great to have had a overarching denomination that could have said, hey, this is wrong and you're out of balance, we need some changes to happen here. But again, then I look at all these other denominations. I don't know that that happens all that often.
Speaker 2:I mean it would have been nice to have had that, but I don't know that, actually, the people that they step in and actually correct situations, that much. So I don't know. Anyway, any thoughts?
Speaker 1:Any thoughts? Any thoughts you want to put them in the comments about it, or if you've read the book, you've done better than me. I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just out, so it's only been out a month.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, yeah, so it's new. I got all kinds of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so well. Well, what else we got going on? We got JFK RFK Jr yeah, Dropping out and endorsing Trump. Yeah, What'd you think of that?
Speaker 1:Kind of a big deal. Yeah, I don't know, he's an interesting fella. To say the least, he is Brain worm yeah. He's very. He's got some really interesting thoughts. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm not a fan of RFK but I do like his. I mean he's anti-vaccine and anti-pharmaceutical companies and giants and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:He's big into health food. He's really got some good things, and then he's got some absolutely wacko things.
Speaker 2:Well, he's still a left wing liberal. I mean, he is very liberal, yeah, and we can thank the Democrat Party for him endorsing Trump, because they went after him so badly and he saw basically the lawfare that is going on with Trump. That has been going on to him too. They've been suing him like crazy.
Speaker 1:I mean he's just— I mean I give him a lot of respect. I mean him too. They've been suing him like crazy. I mean he's just. I mean I give him a lot of respect. I mean that's yeah, he could have just bowed out, he could have ran this campaign, I mean, but he opted to step out and just start taking some darts, and that's what he's gonna absolutely.
Speaker 1:He's gonna take a bunch of arrows, but he I think he believes he's fighting for something larger. I agree, um. So I respect that, even though I don't agree with all of his stuff. I respect him for that, because it's a tough decision to make. Think about your family.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, think about what your family's going to hear. Yeah, once you step out of that and you're in the crosshairs. Well, the truth is.
Speaker 2:Of that far.
Speaker 1:The truth is John.
Speaker 2:F Kennedy would have been in Trump's camp. There's no doubt in my mind. Trump, there's no doubt in my mind Trump's policies are very mainstream America. What has been so astounding? The absolute, visceral hatred that has been directed towards Trump? It is not over his policies, I mean, it is the fact that he is literally not going to do what the CIA and the deep state want him to do. Yeah, and that is the bottom line. So we are facing and actually there was a line in the book that said this that I just thought was phenomenal, and it was where.
Speaker 2:When you boil it all down right now, jimmy, because if we had had this conversation 10 years ago, I would have been very much about conservative versus liberal, and I still believe those things. But the reality is, what we are facing in this election and in our society, culturally and in the church, is the elites, the central planners and the rest of us the elites, the central planners and the rest of us, and they don't want common, ordinary, everyday people to have a say in what we do, and so Trump represents that, and that's the battle we're dealing with, and so that's why you can see liberals going. You know what? I voted Democrat my entire life. But I can't. We're going to lose this country and so I'm going to stand with Trump. We've got to win, we've got to dismantle the deep state and then we can start again, then we can get back to our. You know our partisan squabbles after that, but but literally, the enemy is at the gate and if we lose this election because we've won it and they stole it, it's over, yeah, so, yeah, so it's between the elites and what would you say, common people, the elites and the common people, common folk, common folk.
Speaker 2:It's a populism thing. It really is so, and I've seen that more clear now than I think that I ever have before. It's really interesting and I'm a big, I love conservatism, I believe in it. I'm not throwing that away. I hate Marxism. Marxism is a terrible, terrible scourge ideologically and all that. But it's very interesting that we are. We are just basically fighting for freedom. This has come down to are we going to have freedom in this country or not?
Speaker 1:I really think that I don't know, and maybe it's just the stuff that I've paid attention to, but the people that are voting, that say they're voting for Kamala Harris, don't really know why.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've seen a lot of interviews where people just don't know about policies and what whatnot.
Speaker 2:They don't know what's been done, so they're voting for her against just because they're against trump right, and so I mean I, I just don't, I don't really understand that, the more she talks the, the lower her poll numbers will be, and I think that's why I think they know that, yeah, they they keep her away from.
Speaker 1:I mean the interviews the the vice president guy that she she's brought in tim waltz from minnesota. I mean he's a nut yeah, I don't know. I thought I don't not really know what they were trying to do with that either I mean, but I mean anyway. Well, that was interesting. We had an interesting conversation um, do we have anything else for this evening? Yeah, yeah, what's up Anyway?
Speaker 2:Well, that was interesting. We had an interesting conversation. Do we have anything else for this evening?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. What's up? Hurricane Katrina.
Speaker 2:What about it?
Speaker 1:That was what 19 years ago today, right? Is that what?
Speaker 2:it said oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:19 years ago today was Hurricane Katrina no way.
Speaker 2:Well and Drew probably heard me say this because it came on the news they blamed George W Bush for that.
Speaker 1:I remember it? Yeah, it was the oil rigs, wasn't it? Or something out there? The oil rigs caused it.
Speaker 2:Well, it was just his terrible response. Supposedly he just didn't care yeah, he just didn't care about those people down there. The reality was, their mayor was terrible. They had a Democrat mayor in.
Speaker 1:New Orleans and he would do nothing terrible.
Speaker 2:They had a democrat mayor in new orleans and he would do nothing, absolutely nothing, and the governor of louisiana did nothing. It was terrible the response I do remember it was a mess.
Speaker 1:You remember the people down there, the videos, the people, but but they it was almost like george w bush was president and I don't know what, I don't know what kind of. I don't remember all the. You know what they told him to do to get out, but essentially they just said, no, we're not leaving. Yeah, and honestly think about if it happened in Terre Haute. There's a lot of people that don't have the means to leave.
Speaker 2:Right? No, it's true. So that's why they asked the mayor to take all those school buses. They're just sitting there and start busing people out. You remember people were just stuck. Yeah, they couldn't get anywhere. Yeah, and he wouldn't. I mean, it was just, it was unbelievable. It was, honestly, it was government incompetence. And who could be the most incompetent watching that it was? It was like the storm was, this was the primary catastrophe. But the government response, and not just the federal response, local and and I don't care what anybody tells you and I've thought about this a lot Local is best. Your local folks are going to be the ones to help you out in an emergency.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and when you, when you, come into an emergency situation, half the time it's not even the cops that that fix the situation. It's going to be some good samaritan that decides to step up, and it is almost always that way. Some of the best responses anyway are going to be either local or good samaritans, and it was just like government incompetence. You feel so bad for those folks down there. It was terrible. Remember they put them in the the uh, what is that dome down?
Speaker 1:the super domeome, and it was just like a giant overflowing latrine. I mean, the thing was just they had no running water and it was so hot. It's disgusting, oh gosh, it was awful.
Speaker 1:The school bus thing is interesting, andrew, because I'm on a team at Union that we do disaster drills, okay, and so the school bus thing, almost every drill, and so we'll be drilled like once a year where we bring a command center together and they said, and they give us a scenario and say this is happening. So what do you need to do? We need to like, get, we need to move half of the patients out of the hospital. We have this influx coming in. There was one time there was a cloud of. I mean it was like, uh, when the the train crashes were happening. So a train crash, there was this cloud of gas that was going this direction. Anyway, we almost always a part of our tabletop event, bring in school buses to move people, so, so if, if y'all are, ever you see a bunch of school buses going somewhere to pick up, it's a bad, it's a bad day.
Speaker 2:Maybe you could thank Katrina for that. Yeah, Because I think the whole country was like use the buses.
Speaker 1:How do you get people, mass amount of people, to one place? And you know the fact that it's our house, people that don't have the means. Yeah, you have to go. Every city does. Yeah, yeah, and they got these school buses sitting around, so anyway, but anyway, if you see school buses all going in a certain area, go the opposite way, that's the best thing to do. Just go the opposite way, Well.
Speaker 2:Jimmy, I'm pretty happy because, to change the subject, I'm pretty happy. I'm pretty happy because football's about to start. Oh it's, I live for the NFL season. I got to be honest with you. It's the only sport I really care about, the only sport I watch, and we're going to start up our second year of the Fantasy Football League too. Right, we are, yeah, we have a draft this weekend.
Speaker 1:Those of you who remember my wife won.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you've never watched this before, it gets under Jimmy's skin, it's pretty funny?
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't. It was a perfectly fair match, considering we had 15 seconds of what Carlos said.
Speaker 2:Kamala loves big yellow electric buses.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Big buses, baby. They probably use more. If you're really into fossil fuels, they probably use more fossil fuels to charge that battery than everyone.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh geez.
Speaker 1:Anyway, she wants to put us all on there, Carlos. Yes, 15 second draft. We're not doing that this year, no we did it last year, yeah. I set the draft up. It was 15 seconds per pick and it was absolutely the hardest thing ever to get the person you wanted because it was going so quickly. I've never in my life, but we're still calling it skill that Andrea won.
Speaker 2:She actually had Grace picking for her, I think. Oh well, anyway, she picked Patrick Mahomes. That was her one.
Speaker 1:That wasn't bad, that's a good pick, but we're going to be going at this again for the mixed showdown. The goal is just Andrea doesn't win. That's pretty much it, right. Thanks, drew. Yeah, drew agrees. So we don't really put anything on this, but it's just kind of a fun thing to talk about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, she was very disappointed that she won and there wasn't any trophy, any money, any I don't know.
Speaker 1:Let's get a trophy for the winner this year and it won't be her, it'll be somebody else it'll probably be her it might be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, yeah. So well, I think that's probably going to wrap it up for us tonight. We don't go too uh late. We did um, I think we've got a lot going on this month, so I'm not sure we're going to be able to do a podcast, oh man. So it will probably be maybe a little bit, I don't know yeah so, um, we'll be a little closer in, closer to the election. Yeah, I'm doing some, yeah, wow, yeah, that's crazy what's going on.
Speaker 1:We have a lot of local stuff going on or not, right now.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, I was trying to think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was trying to think about it too. I saw A lot of school board signs popping up.
Speaker 2:We need to have a guest on here. Yeah, we should do that. We've got our setup for a guest. They'll be cramped in this little room with us, yeah, but we've got a boom mic. We've got our setup, so that's great. Thanks to our sponsor.
Speaker 1:Thanks to our sponsor.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming he's going to remain anonymous?
Speaker 1:Yes, but you know who you are, thank you.
Speaker 2:So what do you think I think we're good? Okay, well, folks, it's been, uh, really fun chatting about a book I read and uh, so, um, also taking your questions and really appreciate everybody that watches these videos, shares them, likes them. It means a lot to us. I don't know why we're doing this actually, but it does feel like it's something we're supposed to do and we enjoy doing it. It's actually good. Yeah, we enjoy doing it. It forces us to get together and talk, which you're just basically listening in on our conversation. So, um, but I think that's that's all I've got. Jimmy, do you have anything else?
Speaker 1:no, we'll see you next time. We appreciate you being on and make sure that, um, you share these different uh feeds. Yeah, that will actually help us quite a bit, especially if somebody's maybe you read the book, they want to hear a little bit about it, or maybe they're thinking about reading it. We didn't give any big spoilers with it today. No, no, no. So, yeah, pass it along and if you're interested in us doing book reviews, Andrew's really would love to do book reviews going forward.
Speaker 1:Yes, he's got lots of books. I'll do reviews of uh youtube videos.
Speaker 2:Well, that would work. Makes me sound really more like a cretin or something. Yes, yeah, we'll see you on the youtube.
Speaker 1:See you on the tube. All right, till next time, yep later. Goodbye.