Discussing the book Shepherds for Sale and taking questions.

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Cultural Issues and Christian Influence

Speaker 1 0:00

Welcome to MC Square Podcast . This is episode . Andrew's always got to help me with this 31 . 31 . Thank you for being here . We're streaming on three different networks . Hopefully you're watching and maybe you caught . We were just having some open conversation about people watching . So what's going on , andrew ? What's our topics tonight ? Because we really got to think about this .

Speaker 2 0:21

Well , so I've kind of heralded this new book by Megan Basham Shepherds for Sale . There's been a huge uproar there we go Online about this book and there was a lot of blowback on social media Rebuttals and whatnot . I've got to read this book because I've liked her reporting she's actually a journalist . So I had to read this book because I've liked her reporting she's actually a journalist . So I had to read it and I wanted to talk about it last podcast . But I hadn't actually read it . I couldn't get all the way through it . I just read a chapter . So I mentioned it to Jimmy and Jimmy was going to read it and then we were going to kind of talk , you know , because I didn't want him to act like he didn't know what we were talking about . So anyway , I finished it , read it . It's awesome . And then , how far did you get ?

Speaker 1 1:13

I got through a chapter , so I mean I'll probably be good in two weeks .

Speaker 2 1:19

I feel like I'm surrounded by friends who don't like to read .

Speaker 1 1:23

I like to listen , because you're not the only one .

Speaker 2 1:24

Yeah , I like to listen Because you're not the only one .

Speaker 1 1:26

Well , okay , thank goodness .

Speaker 2 1:27

No , you're not the only one , not at all . So okay .

Speaker 1 1:30

Well , not that it wasn't , not that it's not good at all , yeah , so what you read , what were your thoughts ? It's just it's an interesting perspective and I think that there's a lot of stuff . I mean , I'm all for myself for exposure on the political realm , in the religious realm , obviously , and so I think that that first chapter that's really what she's kind of diving into , the intro was actually really really good . Yeah , it was talking about in the first chapter , because that's as far as I got so far , okay , so far is uh the 11th commandment , which I've never heard it before .

Speaker 1 2:21

Obviously you've heard it before yeah , but I heard that .

Speaker 2 2:23

I heard it different . Yeah , because ronald reagan's 11th commandment was never criticized .

Speaker 1 2:27

Fellow republicans , yeah , so the 11th commandment , and I guess in the church is don't criticize the pastor , yeah , which that that's that's pretty interesting and and I wouldn't say that , uh , I've not been there before because I feel like it's a pretty hard job yeah , but I mean I think this is going to open my eyes a little bit to it . Also , I mean I've really not been a part of a religious group that is that big , yeah , and that like layered . Yeah . I mean the Southern Baptist Committee . I mean they have like and I was listening to one of the interviews that she did I mean they have like many different layers going up that essentially are saying , okay , this is what we're following , we're going this direction .

Speaker 2 3:22

Right . So I think the interesting thing for me was the exposure of left-wing nuts billionaires George Soros being one of them that are pouring money into the attempt to break down and you would have read this in Chapter 1 , I think the attempt to break down the stronghold that is Christian evangelical voting block . Yeah , because they haven't been able to get liberal agenda passed . The Democrats have not been able to get the legislation that they've wanted for climate change , the legislation that they've wanted to open the borders , because these are all the things that they want to open the borders , because these are all the things that they want . They have not been able to get terribly effective because of the church , with the LGBTQT , you know , forget all the alphabet crowd and they've failed in a lot of areas and their biggest obstacle is Christians basically , which is pretty funny . So they have come up with an idea to just flat out go out the church by trying to Christianize a lot of Marxist theology .

Speaker 2 4:43

So the Me Too movement was another one . It's pretty interesting . It's actually a very fascinating book if you love the cultural issues , because she takes a chapter on each one and she kind of breaks down the behind the scenes where the money and the influence is coming from and it is shocking and disappointing actually . So some of the people she targets Russell Moore , head of Christianity Today . He's the editor of Christianity Today . He was also the president , former president of the Southern Baptist Convention , jd Greer , who I think is now the president . He also exposed him , andy Stanley , which Andy Stanley did a fair job of doing that himself , actually , and and that's something I don't know if you're familiar with that whole andy stanley stuff .

Speaker 1 5:32

No , are you ? Familiar with andy stanley I am actually many years ago . Many years ago we did some like small groups of randy stanley stuff with andy stanley . Okay , he had some good small group stuff back in the day . I mean it's like I would probably term a lot of this stuff and I'll get into it , but it's milk .

Speaker 2 5:52

Yeah .

Speaker 1 5:53

When it comes to Christian .

Speaker 2 5:55

Well with Andy Stanley . So let's talk about him in particular . You move back before all of the controversy and all the things that came out . He was an excellent he is an excellent communicator . His dad was the very famous televangelist but I don't know if you call him a televangelist , charles Stanley . I mean I remember my grandparents watching him every Sunday morning before they'd go to church and watch Charles Stanley , and so it's his son . And so with Andy Stanley , he was a leadership kind of a leadership guy , honestly , and his stuff was awesome . I mean it's really really good . I heard at a leadership conference , I heard him talk and it's just really good stuff . I mean he's just a great communicator .

Speaker 2 6:40

Well , basically , in a nutshell , two main things with Andy Stanley that are huge red flags for a Christian . The first is that he has begun teaching pretty hardcore to disconnect ourselves from the Old Testament . Christians need to totally disconnect themselves from the Old Testament . Well , that's a huge red flag for a Christian when you start to tear apart the Word of God For an evangelical , which means actually Billy Graham kind of brought this into the forefront as a popularity thing . A popular thing , not a popularity thing , a popular thing into culture , bringing back , which I didn't realize , this believing the Bible , believing the Bible as Christians there was a huge swath of Christians that didn't believe . Believing the Bible , believing the Bible as Christians there was a huge swath of Christians that didn't believe . You know , parts of the Bible , whatever . And so the evangelical church really is kind of centered around believing the Bible as the basis for our conversation within Christianity . So unhook yourself from the Old Testament . That's a huge red flag . And then then the exposure really is that that Andy Stanley has been pushing a pro gay agenda . He is completely pro gay , pro homosexual marriage . It is , it is a devastating heresy and it is really , really it's . It's terrible actually . So I've stopped listening to Andy Stanley .

Speaker 2 8:09

You know you can be a leader . So the leadership stuff , leadership principles , are true . No matter if you're a good leader or a bad leader , or if you're pushing a bad agenda or a good agenda , there's still leadership principles . I mean they are what they are . It's like you know principles on how to make money , get up , get up , be on time . You know , do your job . Whatever it is , those , those are great principles . It doesn't . You can be a terrible person and do those things . So just because he was a leadership guru . So , anyway , there's a whole host of them .

Speaker 2 8:40

But I think what , what was , uh , what was eyeopening and encouraging to me was all of these things . I think , jimmy , you and a lot of people that are listening , inherently sensed something was wrong during COVID , when pastors would get up there and they'd use the phrase love your neighbor . You know like Jesus would love your neighbor . So good , get the shot , go get . Well , this was all funded , literally that line was even funded by Soros and all of these people that are pushing this in the church , and they had willing accomplices and all that kind of stuff . So what we've sensed , it was kind of like peeling back the covers and you can see kind of the inner working . So I thought she did a really good job .

Speaker 2 9:22

It wasn't so deep that you bogged down in it , it was very quick . One chapter on each subject went through it and you didn't read this part . But the very last chapter I thought was really good , because she kind of deals with the crux of why is this important for sinners , for the lost , for the lost . Why is this important for sinners ? Yeah , for the lost , for the lost . And she brings her own testimony into it , which Megan's testimony was .

Speaker 2 9:50

She grew up in a Christian home Her parents are Christians , excuse me and she got big into the drug scene and she said I mean bad drugs like like , uh , so bad that she she took something she said was called the Holy Trinity , which she didn't realize that's what it was and said most of the time that 90% of people who OD on drugs that's what they take . And she woke up in a jail cell and she just felt like it was the mercy of God and so she constantly having this reoccurring thing , and so she got right with the Lord , because there wasn't , because there was a message from a pastor that basically said you need to repent your childhood trauma , your all the excuses that you want to bring up this hurt and that hurt . But the reality is we all have sinned and fallen short and we have to take responsibility for our own actions . You've sinned , you can stop this , you can follow Christ , you can do this . And so it was a huge wake-up call to her , and her message about all of this was we have these folks that are struggling sexual sin or they're struggling with temptation in one way or the other , and the message of the church has not been a message of repent . It's been a message of you're okay , you're okay , come on in and it's okay the way you are .

Speaker 2 11:20

And the reality is none of us are okay the way we are . We all need a savior , and it's the most freeing thing in the world to have someone say if you will repent and you will ask Jesus into your heart and you will make a decision to follow him , all of that is washed away , and so that's the part that is actually missing . With the quote love your neighbor stuff . I think we're still having we having some technical difficulties . Still , I don't see the red bars , okay . So I was actually pretty inspired because she had a line in there and it means a lot to me . You know , with my own personal story , yeah , and it was . We serve a God who still brings dead girls to life , and that was just .

Speaker 2 12:10

I mean that got me when I read that and just really powerful , so it's a good book . I mean it's , it's one of those things that I like . It cause it's exposure and it's and it kind of is in my wheelhouse of some of the reasons I've left some churches . Some of the reasons I've left some churches , some of the stuff that's just like , oh , and it's kind of , you know , it's kind of been some good exposure . I'll show it up here so people can see it . Yeah , I mean this is the book Very short actually . I mean do you see how that's short ?

Speaker 1 12:41

I know it's 11 hours on audio by the way . All right , so enough of that , but she does orate it , which is really nice on Audible if you're into that .

Speaker 2 12:51

Yeah , yeah , okay . So I guess that's that you got any .

Speaker 1 12:58

No , I was going to ask a little bit about it , because you talk , I mean when you're saying and you've obviously read it but when you're saying you're talking about , like George Soros infiltrating these churches , now are you talking about like , how would he infiltrate ? Like a ? It was like small churches , big churches , what exactly ?

Speaker 2 13:23

So through like curriculum , bible studies , advocacy groups , discipleship groups . There's like a I'm not saying as a broad umbrella , I'm saying specific , like a specific Bible study . So Gospel Coalition is an organization that he actually funds a couple of ministries within their because they have a ton of stuff within their . Gospel Coalition is huge , but they're very welcoming and they love the fact and she kind of spells that out the trail of the money that comes in . So the question really is what has caused these pastors who say they love the Lord , what has caused them to start compromising so badly ? And I think it's two things . It's love of money , because there's money involved , but it's also a huge driver and you cannot discount this . There is a huge need for these folks to be welcomed and loved by the world and it's a big deal to them . Nobody really likes to be persecuted for the message of the gospel .

Speaker 1 14:29

No , no , they really don't .

Shepherd's Role and Flock's Protection

Speaker 1 14:32

And you know , the enemy does go after the shepherd , yeah , but I do think there's an interesting Well .

Speaker 2 14:41

I think he goes after the sheep , and the shepherd are supposed to lay their lives down . See , that's the thing where you've got these pastors , and their biggest concern is what For the lost , but that's not what their mandate is .

Speaker 1 14:54

their mandate is to be a shepherd for the flock because they go out they , if they lose the 99 , that one of the 99 they go after of the flock right , but that's .

Speaker 2 15:03

that's the story of the father going after the , the one , not , not the shepherds . A shepherd , jesus says the shepherds , if they're a hireling , when they see danger coming , take off , which is what a lot of these folks are doing . I mean , the enemy is at the gate at the American church is at the gate and these shepherds are man , they're hirelings , they're going this way , they're going that and they're not standing up and speaking truth to protect the flock . I mean , I know for a fact , fact there are messages meant to be seeker friendly in big churches that are personally hurting kids in the youth group who are struggling and need to hear . They need to hear a no , what you're doing is wrong , but they don't hear that . They hear we understand . You can always approach and talk to us . We don't condemn you .

Speaker 1 15:53

Well , and at that age that can really change somebody's life so you're like okay , then I'm good to go right . And then you heard it . You heard it from a pastor at a young age you can't condemn me .

Speaker 2 16:03

Well , your conscience condemns you yeah , because you questioned it already , because it's wrong . Yeah , yes , yeah yeah , so what ?

Speaker 1 16:11

So what would you give ? I'm trying to think through this a little bit . What should somebody do if they think they might be in maybe a church or in a situation like this ? What does something come out of the book that can give you what I mean ? What should you be doing ?

Speaker 2 16:35

Well , that's really good , because she actually brings in a couple of stories of people who I'm I feel like , I guess in my mind , I mean , I guess I'm politically aware , so when things , what , what's going on ?

Speaker 1 16:52

So he laughed . I don't know .

Speaker 2 16:55

So when things what , what's going on ? I don't know , he laughed , I don't know . So when things are being said by the pastor , like everybody stand up and all the white people apologize to the black people , I feel like , well , no .

Speaker 1 17:04

I mean that's pretty obvious , but it happens . I know , jimmy and I , it happens a lot , okay .

Speaker 2 17:09

So then you're like and what's funny is in the stories . They're like you know , I don't know , but I just feel like something's not right , oh , I mean , but yeah , so , uh , okay , what's a good way ?

Speaker 1 17:24

what's a good way to to be able to find the , maybe the hidden stuff , the occult stuff that's going on in the background ? And you're like , am I under some kind of compromise leadership , right ?

Speaker 2 17:37

Well , I mean so they should be preaching the Bible and things should be biblical . And I think that Christians who have the Holy Spirit , they should use that spirit of discernment . And sometimes it's not as easy as checking off all the boxes . Sometimes people will preach what seems to be fine , but your spirit will feel really conflicted and you just need to be open to that . But I think the main thing is that the greater body of Christ is under attack . I mean , it is under attack and we have been told for so long by these same people don't get political , keep politics out of the church .

Speaker 2 18:28

But the reality is everything when you have a relationship with Christ . It affects everything . It affects your voting , it affects how you see government , it affects how you see economy , it should affect how you raise your kids and your family , the public school system . If you are in the kingdom of God , it should affect every area of life . There is a no separation , and so for a pastor to tell the flock we leave politics out of this is and it's kind of a red flag in this book . It actually that's the phrase used by the people who are actually being political , because , if you notice , they all have their political causes that they , that they're okay with . It's not political . It's not political to to uh stop trump from having families separated at the border . I mean , I've heard this , that's not political . We just care about families . And you're like , uh , okay , then are you there showing up for all of the uh , uh grieving parents who've had their kids slaughtered by an illegal immigrant ? I mean , you hear crickets . You don't hear anything about that .

Speaker 1 19:37

Yeah .

Speaker 2 19:38

I mean , they're hurting too .

Speaker 1 19:41

So what part of all of our walks with Christ is our personal responsibility ? It's all our personal responsibility .

Speaker 2 19:51

It's all our personal responsibility .

Speaker 1 19:52

And how much should we be following church leadership ? So if we look back at the early church early , let's say like in , let's say , acts Church so was there leadership there ? Was there this , the apostles ?

Speaker 2 20:14

You're talking about the apostles , yeah .

Speaker 1 20:16

Was there ? This Was there hierarchy . These tiers of hierarchy .

Speaker 2 20:21

I would say that there was , to a certain extent , obviously , in Jerusalem and in Judea , you had Peter and John and , um , you , you did have , you did have that authority , but you had Paul that came in late and he , you know , he was like , yeah , I went off by myself for a while and I figured it out , and then I went , I went and I talked to them and I just quietly was like , hey , this is what I figured out , this is what I believe , what do you think ? Because he goes unless I was off my rocker and they're like no , we're okay , You're good , you're fine . And then he comes back later on and he confronts Peter to his face for being a hypocrite , for playing a hypocrite with the Jews . So I think that that's an interesting question because we are all submitted to one to another . That's an interesting question because we are all submitted to one to another . That's right . I mean , we absolutely are .

Speaker 2 21:13

But I think folks have had a big problem with the denominational churches over the years because there's been what seems to be a controlling and overarching , dominating or domineering leadership , where you can't do anything that isn't approved from on high . So I think it's a balance , honestly . Yeah , I think it's a balance . I mean , you don't want you know , I've come from a background of a non-denominational church that didn't have any oversight outside of the walls of our church and it got off into Kookyville and it would have been really great to have had a overarching denomination that could have said , hey , this is wrong and you're out of balance , we need some changes to happen here . But again , then I look at all these other denominations . I don't know that that happens all that often .

Speaker 2 22:10

I mean it would have been nice to have had that , but I don't know that , actually , the people that they step in and actually correct situations , that much . So I don't know . Anyway , any thoughts ?

Speaker 1 22:20

Any thoughts ? Any thoughts you want to put them in the comments about it , or if you've read the book , you've done better than me . I'll tell you that right now .

Speaker 2 22:28

Well , it's just out , so it's only been out a month .

Speaker 1 22:30

Oh gosh , yeah , so it's new . I got all kinds of time .

Speaker 2 22:35

Yeah , so

Political Divisions and Common People

Speaker 2 22:36

well . Well , what else we got going on ? We got JFK RFK Jr yeah , Dropping out and endorsing Trump . Yeah , What'd you think of that ?

Speaker 1 22:46

Kind of a big deal . Yeah , I don't know , he's an interesting fella . To say the least , he is Brain worm yeah . He's very . He's got some really interesting thoughts . I don't know .

Speaker 2 23:02

I mean I'm not a fan of RFK but I do like his . I mean he's anti-vaccine and anti-pharmaceutical companies and giants and all that kind of stuff .

Speaker 1 23:12

He's big into health food . He's really got some good things , and then he's got some absolutely wacko things .

Speaker 2 23:18

Well , he's still a left wing liberal . I mean , he is very liberal , yeah , and we can thank the Democrat Party for him endorsing Trump , because they went after him so badly and he saw basically the lawfare that is going on with Trump . That has been going on to him too . They've been suing him like crazy .

Speaker 1 23:38

I mean he's just— I mean I give him a lot of respect . I mean him too . They've been suing him like crazy . I mean he's just . I mean I give him a lot of respect . I mean that's yeah , he could have just bowed out , he could have ran this campaign , I mean , but he opted to step out and just start taking some darts , and that's what he's gonna absolutely .

Speaker 1 23:51

He's gonna take a bunch of arrows , but he I think he believes he's fighting for something larger . I agree , um . So I respect that , even though I don't agree with all of his stuff . I respect him for that , because it's a tough decision to make . Think about your family .

Speaker 2 24:03

Yeah .

Speaker 1 24:03

I mean , think about what your family's going to hear . Yeah , once you step out of that and you're in the crosshairs . Well , the truth is .

Speaker 2 24:12

Of that far .

Speaker 1 24:12

The truth is John .

Speaker 2 24:13

F Kennedy would have been in Trump's camp . There's no doubt in my mind . Trump , there's no doubt in my mind Trump's policies are very mainstream America . What has been so astounding ? The absolute , visceral hatred that has been directed towards Trump ? It is not over his policies , I mean , it is the fact that he is literally not going to do what the CIA and the deep state want him to do . Yeah , and that is the bottom line . So we are facing and actually there was a line in the book that said this that I just thought was phenomenal , and it was where .

Speaker 2 25:01

When you boil it all down right now , jimmy , because if we had had this conversation 10 years ago , I would have been very much about conservative versus liberal , and I still believe those things . But the reality is , what we are facing in this election and in our society , culturally and in the church , is the elites , the central planners and the rest of us the elites , the central planners and the rest of us , and they don't want common , ordinary , everyday people to have a say in what we do , and so Trump represents that , and that's the battle we're dealing with , and so that's why you can see liberals going . You know what ? I voted Democrat my entire life . But I can't . We're going to lose this country and so I'm going to stand with Trump . We've got to win , we've got to dismantle the deep state and then we can start again , then we can get back to our . You know our partisan squabbles after that , but but literally , the enemy is at the gate and if we lose this election because we've won it and they stole it , it's over , yeah , so , yeah , so it's between the elites and what would you say , common people , the elites and the common people , common folk , common folk .

Speaker 2 26:13

It's a populism thing . It really is so , and I've seen that more clear now than I think that I ever have before . It's really interesting and I'm a big , I love conservatism , I believe in it . I'm not throwing that away . I hate Marxism . Marxism is a terrible , terrible scourge ideologically and all that . But it's very interesting that we are . We are just basically fighting for freedom . This has come down to are we going to have freedom in this country or not ?

Speaker 1 26:43

I really think that I don't know , and maybe it's just the stuff that I've paid attention to , but the people that are voting , that say they're voting for Kamala Harris , don't really know why .

Speaker 2 26:57

Right .

Speaker 1 26:58

I mean , I've seen a lot of interviews where people just don't know about policies and what whatnot .

Speaker 2 27:01

They don't know what's been done , so they're voting for her against just because they're against trump right , and so I mean I , I just don't , I don't really understand that , the more she talks the , the lower her poll numbers will be , and I think that's why I think they know that , yeah , they they keep her away from .

Speaker 1 27:21

I mean the interviews the the vice president guy that she she's brought in tim waltz from minnesota . I mean he's a nut yeah , I don't know . I thought I don't not really know what they were trying to do with that either I mean , but I mean anyway . Well , that was interesting . We had an interesting conversation um , do we have anything else for this evening ? Yeah , yeah , what's up Anyway ?

Speaker 2 27:38

Well , that was interesting . We had an interesting conversation . Do we have anything else for this evening ?

Speaker 1 27:44

Yeah , yeah . What's up ?

Hurricane Katrina Reflections and Fantasy Football

Speaker 1 27:46

Hurricane Katrina .

Speaker 2 27:47

What about it ?

Speaker 1 27:47

That was what 19 years ago today , right ? Is that what ?

Speaker 2 27:51

it said oh , that's right .

Speaker 1 27:52

19 years ago today was Hurricane Katrina no way .

Speaker 2 27:56

Well and Drew probably heard me say this because it came on the news they blamed George W Bush for that .

Speaker 1 28:01

I remember it ? Yeah , it was the oil rigs , wasn't it ? Or something out there ? The oil rigs caused it .

Speaker 2 28:06

Well , it was just his terrible response . Supposedly he just didn't care yeah , he just didn't care about those people down there . The reality was , their mayor was terrible . They had a Democrat mayor in .

Speaker 1 28:18

New Orleans and he would do nothing terrible .

Speaker 2 28:22

They had a democrat mayor in new orleans and he would do nothing , absolutely nothing , and the governor of louisiana did nothing . It was terrible the response I do remember it was a mess .

Speaker 1 28:28

You remember the people down there , the videos , the people , but but they it was almost like george w bush was president and I don't know what , I don't know what kind of . I don't remember all the . You know what they told him to do to get out , but essentially they just said , no , we're not leaving . Yeah , and honestly think about if it happened in Terre Haute . There's a lot of people that don't have the means to leave .

Speaker 2 28:55

Right ? No , it's true . So that's why they asked the mayor to take all those school buses . They're just sitting there and start busing people out . You remember people were just stuck . Yeah , they couldn't get anywhere . Yeah , and he wouldn't . I mean , it was just , it was unbelievable . It was , honestly , it was government incompetence . And who could be the most incompetent watching that it was ? It was like the storm was , this was the primary catastrophe . But the government response , and not just the federal response , local and and I don't care what anybody tells you and I've thought about this a lot Local is best . Your local folks are going to be the ones to help you out in an emergency .

Speaker 2 29:33

Absolutely , and when you , when you , come into an emergency situation , half the time it's not even the cops that that fix the situation . It's going to be some good samaritan that decides to step up , and it is almost always that way . Some of the best responses anyway are going to be either local or good samaritans , and it was just like government incompetence . You feel so bad for those folks down there . It was terrible . Remember they put them in the the uh , what is that dome down ?

Speaker 1 29:59

the super domeome , and it was just like a giant overflowing latrine . I mean , the thing was just they had no running water and it was so hot . It's disgusting , oh gosh , it was awful .

Speaker 1 30:11

The school bus thing is interesting , andrew , because I'm on a team at Union that we do disaster drills , okay , and so the school bus thing , almost every drill , and so we'll be drilled like once a year where we bring a command center together and they said , and they give us a scenario and say this is happening . So what do you need to do ? We need to like , get , we need to move half of the patients out of the hospital . We have this influx coming in . There was one time there was a cloud of . I mean it was like , uh , when the the train crashes were happening . So a train crash , there was this cloud of gas that was going this direction . Anyway , we almost always a part of our tabletop event , bring in school buses to move people , so , so if , if y'all are , ever you see a bunch of school buses going somewhere to pick up , it's a bad , it's a bad day .

Speaker 2 31:02

Maybe you could thank Katrina for that . Yeah , Because I think the whole country was like use the buses .

Speaker 1 31:07

How do you get people , mass amount of people , to one place ? And you know the fact that it's our house , people that don't have the means . Yeah , you have to go . Every city does . Yeah , yeah , and they got these school buses sitting around , so anyway , but anyway , if you see school buses all going in a certain area , go the opposite way , that's the best thing to do . Just go the opposite way , Well .

Speaker 2 31:28

Jimmy , I'm pretty happy because , to change the subject , I'm pretty happy . I'm pretty happy because football's about to start . Oh it's , I live for the NFL season . I got to be honest with you . It's the only sport I really care about , the only sport I watch , and we're going to start up our second year of the Fantasy Football League too . Right , we are , yeah , we have a draft this weekend .

Speaker 1 31:56

Those of you who remember my wife won .

Speaker 2 31:58

Yeah , if you've never watched this before , it gets under Jimmy's skin , it's pretty funny ?

Speaker 1 32:01

No , it doesn't . It was a perfectly fair match , considering we had 15 seconds of what Carlos said .

Speaker 2 32:08

Kamala loves big yellow electric buses .

Speaker 1 32:12

Oh yeah , Big buses , baby . They probably use more . If you're really into fossil fuels , they probably use more fossil fuels to charge that battery than everyone .

Speaker 2 32:22

Yes , oh geez .

Speaker 1 32:23

Anyway , she wants to put us all on there , Carlos . Yes , 15 second draft . We're not doing that this year , no we did it last year , yeah . I set the draft up . It was 15 seconds per pick and it was absolutely the hardest thing ever to get the person you wanted because it was going so quickly . I've never in my life , but we're still calling it skill that Andrea won .

Speaker 2 32:46

She actually had Grace picking for her , I think . Oh well , anyway , she picked Patrick Mahomes . That was her one .

Speaker 1 32:52

That wasn't bad , that's a good pick , but we're going to be going at this again for the mixed showdown . The goal is just Andrea doesn't win . That's pretty much it , right . Thanks , drew . Yeah , drew agrees . So we don't really put anything on this , but it's just kind of a fun thing to talk about .

Speaker 2 33:08

Yeah , yeah , she was very disappointed that she won and there wasn't any trophy , any money , any I don't know .

Speaker 1 33:14

Let's get a trophy for the winner this year and it won't be her , it'll be somebody else it'll probably be her it might be .

Speaker 2 33:21

Yeah , I know , yeah . So well , I think that's probably going to wrap it up for us tonight . We don't go too uh late . We did um , I think we've got a lot going on this month , so I'm not sure we're going to be able to do a podcast , oh man . So it will probably be maybe a little bit , I don't know yeah so , um , we'll be a little closer in , closer to the election . Yeah , I'm doing some , yeah , wow , yeah , that's crazy what's going on .

Speaker 1 33:46

We have a lot of local stuff going on or not , right now .

Speaker 2 33:49

I mean , yeah , I was trying to think .

Speaker 1 33:52

Yeah , I was trying to think about it too . I saw A lot of school board signs popping up .

Speaker 2 34:00

We need to have a guest on here . Yeah , we should do that . We've got our setup for a guest . They'll be cramped in this little room with us , yeah , but we've got a boom mic . We've got our setup , so that's great . Thanks to our sponsor .

Speaker 1 34:11

Thanks to our sponsor .

Speaker 2 34:12

I'm assuming he's going to remain anonymous ?

Speaker 1 34:14

Yes , but you know who you are , thank you .

Speaker 2 34:20

So what do you think I think we're good ? Okay , well , folks , it's been , uh , really fun chatting about a book I read and uh , so , um , also taking your questions and really appreciate everybody that watches these videos , shares them , likes them . It means a lot to us . I don't know why we're doing this actually , but it does feel like it's something we're supposed to do and we enjoy doing it . It's actually good . Yeah , we enjoy doing it . It forces us to get together and talk , which you're just basically listening in on our conversation . So , um , but I think that's that's all I've got . Jimmy , do you have anything else ?

Speaker 1 35:08

no , we'll see you next time . We appreciate you being on and make sure that , um , you share these different uh feeds . Yeah , that will actually help us quite a bit , especially if somebody's maybe you read the book , they want to hear a little bit about it , or maybe they're thinking about reading it . We didn't give any big spoilers with it today . No , no , no . So , yeah , pass it along and if you're interested in us doing book reviews , Andrew's really would love to do book reviews going forward .

Speaker 1 35:37

Yes , he's got lots of books . I'll do reviews of uh youtube videos .

Speaker 2 35:42

Well , that would work . Makes me sound really more like a cretin or something . Yes , yeah , we'll see you on the youtube .

Speaker 1 35:50

See you on the tube . All right , till next time , yep later . Goodbye .